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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://covid19japan.com

    Screen Shot 2020-07-17 at 9.13.14 AM.png

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • HoraceH Online
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      Horace
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      Island nation with a cohesive culture. Hmm.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Island nation with a cohesive culture. Hmm.

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        @Horace said in Japan:

        Island nation with a cohesive culture. Hmm.

        However, unlike other NE Asia countries (Taiwan, South Korea, etc.), Japan did not have any "lockdowns" or major closures, not as much contact tracing, no "electric" fence for people who had tested positive, etc.

        Some major differences that may indicate why there are an increase in cases now.

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          However, unlike other NE Asia countries (Taiwan, South Korea, etc.), Japan did not have any "lockdowns" or major closures, not as much contact tracing, no "electric" fence for people who had tested positive, etc.

          Why not?

          I am led to believe that we have an almost super-humanly idiotic leader here in the US largely responsible for our failures. What's Japan's excuse? Is every mediocre dipshit who's never generated an original thought in their lives, smarter than their political leaders, just like here?

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            However, unlike other NE Asia countries (Taiwan, South Korea, etc.), Japan did not have any "lockdowns" or major closures, not as much contact tracing, no "electric" fence for people who had tested positive, etc.

            Why not?

            I am led to believe that we have an almost super-humanly idiotic leader here in the US largely responsible for our failures. What's Japan's excuse? Is every mediocre dipshit who's never generated an original thought in their lives, smarter than their political leaders, just like here?

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            @Horace I don't have an answer for you Horace.

            Why dont countries learn from the mistakes and best practices of other countries? Dont know.

            Why dont people learn from the mistakes and best practices of other people? Dont know.

            It may be something similar to something I read (or heard) about criminals. They always assume that they are the smartest (or at least equal to the smartest) person in the room. So, if we see a criminal make a "dumb" mistake, they cannot believe it because they themselves were not able to see it.

            For example:
            "If I cannot see it, how could someone else see it? That is not possible!!"

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            • HoraceH Horace

              However, unlike other NE Asia countries (Taiwan, South Korea, etc.), Japan did not have any "lockdowns" or major closures, not as much contact tracing, no "electric" fence for people who had tested positive, etc.

              Why not?

              I am led to believe that we have an almost super-humanly idiotic leader here in the US largely responsible for our failures. What's Japan's excuse? Is every mediocre dipshit who's never generated an original thought in their lives, smarter than their political leaders, just like here?

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              @Horace said in Japan:

              However, unlike other NE Asia countries (Taiwan, South Korea, etc.), Japan did not have any "lockdowns" or major closures, not as much contact tracing, no "electric" fence for people who had tested positive, etc.

              Why not?

              I am led to believe that we have an almost super-humanly idiotic leader here in the US largely responsible for our failures.

              Sneaky straw man!

              There are two main complaints: that U.S. citizens are not taking the virus seriously, and that national leadership has utterly failed in handling the public health response.

              The first has been mentioned here many times, and yes, national leadership has been blamed for the lack of public support for increasing safety measures. I think that can be supported by evidence:

              • When speaking about the fears Americans were beginning to have about the virus early in the year, he blamed the Democrats. "This is their new hoax," he said.
              • When thousands have already died from the virus, Trump's projection for future cases was "fifteen going to zero."
              • In April, during the largest increase of cases since, well, now, he said publicly that the virus is just "going to go away."

              When you look at the obvious difference between what he said and what was actually happening in reality, I think you can make a case that at the very least, he didn't adequately prepare the public for the upcoming health risks.

              As for his handling of the public health response, I'll let you tell me first what he's done that's been so great so I can get a better handle on what you think happened.

              Please love yourself.

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              • HoraceH Online
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                Sure, agreed that Trump could have done a better job, for his part. The point of my post is to question how much that really matters. I was assuming that a place like Japan has people in those sorts of positions who are willing and able to do better jobs, and in fact did better jobs.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  Sure, agreed that Trump could have done a better job, for his part. The point of my post is to question how much that really matters. I was assuming that a place like Japan has people in those sorts of positions who are willing and able to do better jobs, and in fact did better jobs.

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                  @Horace said in Japan:

                  Sure, agreed that Trump could have done a better job, for his part. The point of my post is to question how much that really matters.

                  I think we can all use all the help we can get at this point, so thanks for nothing, orange-face.

                  That being said--because why not 🙂 --here are our problems as I see them:

                  • What we most need is for local government to step up, organize themselves and coordinate, and for states to let them decide what's best for their own areas. Projections need to be constantly updated so that mandatory mask-wearing can be enforced before hotspots become uncontrollable. That's a huge ask when you consider that many local councilmen have made the news for having the guts to say publicly what everyone else is thinking: that the virus is a collaborative hoax orchestrated by the Russians and the Democratic party. Some entire states are centuries behind others in terms of the knowledge base and intelligence of their leadership.
                  • And then, yeah, you've got to have a citizenry who understand masks: the difference between cloth, N95s and fake N95s, and when each would work and when they wouldn't. And obviously by looking at TNCR alone, that's never going to happen.

                  So basically we're more or less doomed on some level, both economically and in terms of public health.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
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                    Both problems are really the same.

                    Nobody else is as smart as me.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      Not much curve-flattening in Japan two weeks later:

                      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/japan-acted-like-the-virus-had-gone-now-it-s-spread-everywhere

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Aqua Letifer
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                        We're going to do exactly the same.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
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                          Is there anyone who is really doing better without crushing their economy?

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Is there anyone who is really doing better without crushing their economy?

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                            @Mik We seem to be doing both - crushing the economy AND maximizing COVID cases.

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                              You can run, but you can't hide.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Is there anyone who is really doing better without crushing their economy?

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                                @Mik said in Japan:

                                Is there anyone who is really doing better without crushing their economy?

                                The EU

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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