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US Marines have no Leader

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
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    "The Marine Corps is on track to be led by an acting commandant for the first time in 164 years as senators leave town for two weeks with no end in sight to a standoff over military confirmations.

    The term for the current Marine commandant, Gen. David Berger, expires July 10, "at which time he must vacate the office, regardless of whether a successor has been appointed," service spokesperson Maj. Jim Stenger told Military.com in an email last week. Berger's deputy and nominated successor, Gen. Eric Smith, will fill the position in an acting role.

    The failure to confirm Smith to be the next Marine Corps chief is due to a single-handed hold on confirmations by Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., over Pentagon abortion leave policies. The position is the highest in the military so far to feel the pinch of Tuberville's hold, but the Defense Department has warned that hundreds of officer promotions could be disrupted this year."

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/06/23/marines-face-no-confirmed-commandant-first-time-164-years.html

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      Putting the fun in dysfunctional.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
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        #3

        The simple solution is for the Pentagon to change their policy.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Or at least try to negotiate with the senator.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • AxtremusA Away
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            Axtremus
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            #5

            There is an even simpler solution.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              This might be a good time for Mexico and Canada to invade.

              I was only joking

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
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                #7

                I know this is the way it has been in the US senate, but strange that one person can hold everything up, even if the other 99 people want to vote the other way.

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
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                  #8

                  Okay then. (Shakes head)

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
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                    And now, the US Navy has no leader also.

                    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/14/navys-top-officer-retires-3rd-service-without-confirmed-leader.html

                    QUOTE
                    The Navy now joins the Army and the Marine Corps in being without a Senate-confirmed leader. The upcoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also affected. While the immediate impacts of the ongoing retirements seem minor and ceremonial -- empty picture frames in the halls of the Pentagon and use of words like relinquishment rather than change of command -- military leaders say the lack of confirmed military leaders will be dire.

                    Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called Tuberville's move "unprecedented," before adding that "it is unnecessary and it is unsafe."

                    "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness," he added, using some of the harshest language on the topic to date.
                    UNQUOTE

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #10

                      Horse hockey.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #11

                        This is ridiculous. And I’m sure you’d realize that if it were some Democratic senator holding all promotions until, say, trans surgery was covered under some future gop administration

                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #12

                          No, I don't care for it, but those are the Senate rules.

                          As I've gotten older, I realize the reasons for holds, super-majorities, etc. I might not like it, but I understand.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                            taiwan_girl
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                            @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              And now, the US Navy has no leader also.

                              https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/14/navys-top-officer-retires-3rd-service-without-confirmed-leader.html

                              QUOTE
                              The Navy now joins the Army and the Marine Corps in being without a Senate-confirmed leader. The upcoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also affected. While the immediate impacts of the ongoing retirements seem minor and ceremonial -- empty picture frames in the halls of the Pentagon and use of words like relinquishment rather than change of command -- military leaders say the lack of confirmed military leaders will be dire.

                              Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called Tuberville's move "unprecedented," before adding that "it is unnecessary and it is unsafe."

                              "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness," he added, using some of the harshest language on the topic to date.
                              UNQUOTE

                              CopperC Offline
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                              Copper
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                              @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                              "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness,"

                              Because it all depends on this one guy.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
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                                @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                                @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

                                Not really.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  I know, I know, apples and oranges, but what if there was a hold up with the installation of the US President? No big deal?

                                  My experience is that without a head guy in charge, decisions stop getting made. And that does "filter down" to lower levels.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    I suspect in most cases they can put someone in the role as 'acting' whatever.

                                    What it affects most is morale, I assume. These guys get better pay, better perks, better lodging at times, etc with those promotions.

                                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        @Jolly said in US Marines have no Leader:

                                        For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

                                        Surely you mean the next person.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Tuberville to try going around his own blockade to confirm Marine commandant

                                          https://www.yahoo.com/news/tuberville-try-going-around-own-205218874.html

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