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US Marines have no Leader

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #17

    I suspect in most cases they can put someone in the role as 'acting' whatever.

    What it affects most is morale, I assume. These guys get better pay, better perks, better lodging at times, etc with those promotions.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      Jolly
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      #18

      For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

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        George K
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        #19

        @Jolly said in US Marines have no Leader:

        For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

        Surely you mean the next person.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #20

          Tuberville to try going around his own blockade to confirm Marine commandant

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/tuberville-try-going-around-own-205218874.html

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            Jolly
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            #21

            You need to read the rules. Johnson said the other day, if Schumer really wanted a vote on Tuberville's holds, it's about a three hour process.

            There's more to this than just MSM reporting

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              #22

              I am not sure it is just Sen. Schumer.

              Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) had attempted to force a vote on Smith’s nomination prior to the August recess, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) dissuaded the push as Republicans sought an offramp with Tuberville to end his hold.

              It is unclear whether Senate Democrats will object to the motion. The party has maintained that it does not have plans to hold one-off votes on top military leaders, and has yet to say whether it will do so for Gen. Charles “C.Q.” Brown to replace Mark Milley as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

              Not quite sure from reading the below, but it appears that 51 votes are needed for a nomination like this.

               The majority required to invoke cloture for most business is three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 votes if there are no vacancies in the Senate’s membership. However, invoking cloture on a measure or motion to amend the Senate’s standing rules requires the votes of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting, or 67 votes if all 100 Senators vote. Additionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

              https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-425

              And if it is a 3 hour process, multiply that by 300 nominations which equals 900 hours = 25 mandays spent on this. So, the Senate could do nothing else for a month, neglecting all other business I guess. Doesn't seem too efficient.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                I am not sure it is just Sen. Schumer.

                Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) had attempted to force a vote on Smith’s nomination prior to the August recess, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) dissuaded the push as Republicans sought an offramp with Tuberville to end his hold.

                It is unclear whether Senate Democrats will object to the motion. The party has maintained that it does not have plans to hold one-off votes on top military leaders, and has yet to say whether it will do so for Gen. Charles “C.Q.” Brown to replace Mark Milley as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

                Not quite sure from reading the below, but it appears that 51 votes are needed for a nomination like this.

                 The majority required to invoke cloture for most business is three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 votes if there are no vacancies in the Senate’s membership. However, invoking cloture on a measure or motion to amend the Senate’s standing rules requires the votes of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting, or 67 votes if all 100 Senators vote. Additionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

                https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-425

                And if it is a 3 hour process, multiply that by 300 nominations which equals 900 hours = 25 mandays spent on this. So, the Senate could do nothing else for a month, neglecting all other business I guess. Doesn't seem too efficient.

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                @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                dditionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

                There it is...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  George K
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                  #24

                  Former CIA director (one of the 51 "disinformation" signers) says that Tuberville should be removed from the human race.

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #25

                    If the appointments are that damn important, strip the abortion stuff out.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      If the appointments are that damn important, strip the abortion stuff out.

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                      #26

                      @Jolly said in US Marines have no Leader:

                      If the appointments are that damn important, strip the abortion stuff out.

                      Or, flip the question. Is abortion question more important to Sen. Tuberville than not staffing important diplomatic and military posts? Should one person's contrary view speak for the majority?

                      We saw the problems that happened (and continue to happen) in Niger without appointments.

                      We have seen the beginnings of the same with Israel.

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                        #27

                        Is it that important to him?

                        I think you already have your answer.

                        If that rock does not move, what are you going to do?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          #28

                          Get rid of the rock?

                          At some point, I believe, his Republic colleagues will take action against him.

                          There will be some sort of "unnamed source" within the Senate Republic Party that says that the lack of movement on diplomatic and military appointments is making the US less safe, etc.

                          Sen. Tuberville will release a statement that he has proven his point, and there will be some sort of token appeasement to him so that he can save face.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #29

                            Maybe.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @Jolly said in US Marines have no Leader:

                              If the appointments are that damn important, strip the abortion stuff out.

                              Or, flip the question. Is abortion question more important to Sen. Tuberville than not staffing important diplomatic and military posts? Should one person's contrary view speak for the majority?

                              We saw the problems that happened (and continue to happen) in Niger without appointments.

                              We have seen the beginnings of the same with Israel.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                              We saw the problems that happened (and continue to happen) in Niger without appointments.

                              Not saying that having an appointed US liaison to West Africa would have prevented the coupe, it certainly would not have hurt.

                              The first French soldiers left Niger on Tuesday in an overland convoy under local escort, possibly to Chad, just as the United States announced the withdrawal of its aid to the country, which has been ruled by a military regime since late July.

                              And Russia looks to fill the opening...

                              https://www.africanews.com/2023/10/10/niger-first-french-troops-withdraw-as-us-cuts-aid/

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                                George K
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                                #31

                                Will anyone respond to General Hayden's call to remove the senator from the human race so we can get going and have leadership at the Marines?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Will anyone respond to General Hayden's call to remove the senator from the human race so we can get going and have leadership at the Marines?

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  @George-K Maybe President Trump would do it? He did after all, call for Gen. Milley to be executed.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    #33

                                    Nice deflection.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      #34

                                      Not really. LOL

                                      George asked if anyone would respond to Gen Haydens call. I mentioned a potential candidate who has already expressed an interest in killing public officials.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        Not really. LOL

                                        George asked if anyone would respond to Gen Haydens call. I mentioned a potential candidate who has already expressed an interest in killing public officials.

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                                        . I mentioned a potential candidate who has already expressed an interest in killing public officials.

                                        Can you point to where he said that?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          #36

                                          Donald Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.

                                          I am corrected, he did not specifically say he would kill him, but to me, there does not seem to be a whole lot of difference between this and what Gen Hayden said.

                                          Both are stupid to have said what they said.

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