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US Marines have no Leader

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  • AxtremusA Away
    AxtremusA Away
    Axtremus
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    #5

    There is an even simpler solution.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by
      #6

      This might be a good time for Mexico and Canada to invade.

      I was only joking

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        taiwan_girl
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        #7

        I know this is the way it has been in the US senate, but strange that one person can hold everything up, even if the other 99 people want to vote the other way.

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
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          #8

          Okay then. (Shakes head)

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #9

            And now, the US Navy has no leader also.

            https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/14/navys-top-officer-retires-3rd-service-without-confirmed-leader.html

            QUOTE
            The Navy now joins the Army and the Marine Corps in being without a Senate-confirmed leader. The upcoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also affected. While the immediate impacts of the ongoing retirements seem minor and ceremonial -- empty picture frames in the halls of the Pentagon and use of words like relinquishment rather than change of command -- military leaders say the lack of confirmed military leaders will be dire.

            Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called Tuberville's move "unprecedented," before adding that "it is unnecessary and it is unsafe."

            "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness," he added, using some of the harshest language on the topic to date.
            UNQUOTE

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              Horse hockey.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                #11

                This is ridiculous. And I’m sure you’d realize that if it were some Democratic senator holding all promotions until, say, trans surgery was covered under some future gop administration

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  No, I don't care for it, but those are the Senate rules.

                  As I've gotten older, I realize the reasons for holds, super-majorities, etc. I might not like it, but I understand.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      And now, the US Navy has no leader also.

                      https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/14/navys-top-officer-retires-3rd-service-without-confirmed-leader.html

                      QUOTE
                      The Navy now joins the Army and the Marine Corps in being without a Senate-confirmed leader. The upcoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also affected. While the immediate impacts of the ongoing retirements seem minor and ceremonial -- empty picture frames in the halls of the Pentagon and use of words like relinquishment rather than change of command -- military leaders say the lack of confirmed military leaders will be dire.

                      Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called Tuberville's move "unprecedented," before adding that "it is unnecessary and it is unsafe."

                      "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness," he added, using some of the harshest language on the topic to date.
                      UNQUOTE

                      CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                      "This sweeping hold is undermining America's military readiness,"

                      Because it all depends on this one guy.

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #15

                        @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                        @jolly You don't think it is a big issue for the military and the longer it goes on, the more worse the problem becomes?

                        Not really.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          I know, I know, apples and oranges, but what if there was a hold up with the installation of the US President? No big deal?

                          My experience is that without a head guy in charge, decisions stop getting made. And that does "filter down" to lower levels.

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #17

                            I suspect in most cases they can put someone in the role as 'acting' whatever.

                            What it affects most is morale, I assume. These guys get better pay, better perks, better lodging at times, etc with those promotions.

                            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

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                                George K
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                                #19

                                @Jolly said in US Marines have no Leader:

                                For operational purposes, it just goes down to the next guy in line.

                                Surely you mean the next person.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #20

                                  Tuberville to try going around his own blockade to confirm Marine commandant

                                  https://www.yahoo.com/news/tuberville-try-going-around-own-205218874.html

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #21

                                    You need to read the rules. Johnson said the other day, if Schumer really wanted a vote on Tuberville's holds, it's about a three hour process.

                                    There's more to this than just MSM reporting

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
                                      #22

                                      I am not sure it is just Sen. Schumer.

                                      Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) had attempted to force a vote on Smith’s nomination prior to the August recess, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) dissuaded the push as Republicans sought an offramp with Tuberville to end his hold.

                                      It is unclear whether Senate Democrats will object to the motion. The party has maintained that it does not have plans to hold one-off votes on top military leaders, and has yet to say whether it will do so for Gen. Charles “C.Q.” Brown to replace Mark Milley as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

                                      Not quite sure from reading the below, but it appears that 51 votes are needed for a nomination like this.

                                       The majority required to invoke cloture for most business is three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 votes if there are no vacancies in the Senate’s membership. However, invoking cloture on a measure or motion to amend the Senate’s standing rules requires the votes of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting, or 67 votes if all 100 Senators vote. Additionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

                                      https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-425

                                      And if it is a 3 hour process, multiply that by 300 nominations which equals 900 hours = 25 mandays spent on this. So, the Senate could do nothing else for a month, neglecting all other business I guess. Doesn't seem too efficient.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        I am not sure it is just Sen. Schumer.

                                        Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) had attempted to force a vote on Smith’s nomination prior to the August recess, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) dissuaded the push as Republicans sought an offramp with Tuberville to end his hold.

                                        It is unclear whether Senate Democrats will object to the motion. The party has maintained that it does not have plans to hold one-off votes on top military leaders, and has yet to say whether it will do so for Gen. Charles “C.Q.” Brown to replace Mark Milley as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

                                        Not quite sure from reading the below, but it appears that 51 votes are needed for a nomination like this.

                                         The majority required to invoke cloture for most business is three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 votes if there are no vacancies in the Senate’s membership. However, invoking cloture on a measure or motion to amend the Senate’s standing rules requires the votes of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting, or 67 votes if all 100 Senators vote. Additionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

                                        https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-425

                                        And if it is a 3 hour process, multiply that by 300 nominations which equals 900 hours = 25 mandays spent on this. So, the Senate could do nothing else for a month, neglecting all other business I guess. Doesn't seem too efficient.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #23

                                        @taiwan_girl said in US Marines have no Leader:

                                        dditionally, under precedents established on November 21, 2013, and April 6, 2017, invoking cloture on presidential nominations requires a vote of a majority of Senators present and voting, or 51 votes if all 100 Senators vote.1

                                        There it is...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          George K
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                                          #24

                                          Former CIA director (one of the 51 "disinformation" signers) says that Tuberville should be removed from the human race.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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