Mississippi's success
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/opinion/mississippi-education-poverty.html
Average high school graduation rate, by state.
"“Mississippi is a huge success story and very exciting,” David Deming, a Harvard economist and education expert, told me. What’s so significant, he said, is that while Mississippi hasn’t overcome poverty or racism, it still manages to get kids to read and excel.
“You cannot use poverty as an excuse. That’s the most important lesson,” Deming added. “It’s so important, I want to shout it from the mountaintop.” What Mississippi teaches, he said, is that “we shouldn’t be giving up on children.”
The revolution here in Mississippi is incomplete, and race gaps persist, but it’s thrilling to see the excitement and pride bubbling in the halls of de facto segregated Black schools in some of the nation’s poorest communities."
@George-K said in Mississippi's success:
“You cannot use poverty as an excuse. That’s the most important lesson,” Deming added. “It’s so important, I want to shout it from the mountaintop.”
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
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@George-K said in Mississippi's success:
“You cannot use poverty as an excuse. That’s the most important lesson,” Deming added. “It’s so important, I want to shout it from the mountaintop.”
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
@taiwan_girl said in Mississippi's success:
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
There's a guy on twitter who shows lots of statistics about success, poverty, etc. Poverty is not one of the factors that affects success.
Perhaps, it would be more accurate to say that wealth is not correlated with success.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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A one size fits all theory of success and what drives it is a fool’s errand. The reasons are as diverse as the individuals themselves. Desire, diligence, luck, visualization, hunger. That’s just a few.
But I do believe you can tackle educational success. Mississippi clearly has, and without throwing piles of cash at it.
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@taiwan_girl said in Mississippi's success:
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
There's a guy on twitter who shows lots of statistics about success, poverty, etc. Poverty is not one of the factors that affects success.
Perhaps, it would be more accurate to say that wealth is not correlated with success.
@George-K said in Mississippi's success:
@taiwan_girl said in Mississippi's success:
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
There's a guy on twitter who shows lots of statistics about success, poverty, etc. Poverty is not one of the factors that affects success.
Perhaps, it would be more accurate to say that wealth is not correlated with success.
I’m not sure what success means within that measure, but that claim is suspicious for most common definitions of success.
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@George-K said in Mississippi's success:
@taiwan_girl said in Mississippi's success:
I agree 1000% on this, as I noted from personal experience in the other thread on affirmative action.
There's a guy on twitter who shows lots of statistics about success, poverty, etc. Poverty is not one of the factors that affects success.
Perhaps, it would be more accurate to say that wealth is not correlated with success.
I’m not sure what success means within that measure, but that claim is suspicious for most common definitions of success.
@Horace said in Mississippi's success:
I’m not sure what success means within that measure
I'll poke that hornet's nest. We can start with SAT scores, I suppose.
Is there a correlation between wealth and scores? Looks like it. But, on e has to ask why the starting points are so different.
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The explanation for that was established beyond any doubt, by a scientific consensus from a time when that explanation was not completely third rail. Now that the explanation is third rail, you won't find many scientists who avow it.
Because we all know, scientists need to eat, too, and they seek social status, too, and thus, science becomes politicized. Not just IQ science. Anything that has a political or cultural entanglement. It's all politicized, and repelled by truths that aren't socially palatable. Any science which is repelled by certain truths, isn't actual science. Which is why we don't have actual science in many important areas these days. Politically correct midwits who believe they "follow the science" in their opinions, are, to a person, delusional.
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Poverty cannot (and SHOULD NOT) be used as an excuse, but it is also nave to think that being rich does not have some advantages when it comes to schooling. Just look at the chart Goerge posted above. Black, white (and I am guess that all other race groups), the SAT scores increase if your family has more money.
