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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Professor Greenfield probably didn't go to school the day they taught the First Amendment.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
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      #2

      It would be better to find an appropriate legal response.

      Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        It would be better to find an appropriate legal response.

        Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

        Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

        Interesting question.

        AFAIK, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're outdoors.

        Have at it, and then watch what happens should they get fired.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

          Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

          Interesting question.

          AFAIK, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're outdoors.

          Have at it, and then watch what happens should they get fired.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
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          @George-K said in "Not protected hate speech":

          @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

          Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

          Interesting question.

          AFAIK, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're outdoors.

          Have at it, and then watch what happens should they get fired.

          Ostracized would be good enough. Their lives could be made quite a bit more miserable than the people they wanted to insult.

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @George-K said in "Not protected hate speech":

            @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

            Would taking their photographs and putting them up all over town be considered unconstitutional? Some of them might have paid jobs, after all.

            Interesting question.

            AFAIK, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy if you're outdoors.

            Have at it, and then watch what happens should they get fired.

            Ostracized would be good enough. Their lives could be made quite a bit more miserable than the people they wanted to insult.

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            George K
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            @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

            Ostracized would be good enough. Their lives could be made quite a bit more miserable than the people they wanted to insult.

            Absolutely. The right to free speech includes the responsibility for dealing with the repercussions thereof.

            As long as it's not illegal, go for it.

            That said, I can see some asshole doxxing or SWATing these clowns.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

              Ostracized would be good enough. Their lives could be made quite a bit more miserable than the people they wanted to insult.

              Absolutely. The right to free speech includes the responsibility for dealing with the repercussions thereof.

              As long as it's not illegal, go for it.

              That said, I can see some asshole doxxing or SWATing these clowns.

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              @George-K said in "Not protected hate speech":

              That said, I can see some asshole doxxing or SWATing these clowns.

              That's pretty much inevitable if you stick photos of them up all over town. Personally speaking, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

              Just how dumb do you have to be to think that Hitler had the right idea at this point in history? I'm not sure that level of idiocy is actually measurable.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @George-K said in "Not protected hate speech":

                That said, I can see some asshole doxxing or SWATing these clowns.

                That's pretty much inevitable if you stick photos of them up all over town. Personally speaking, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

                Just how dumb do you have to be to think that Hitler had the right idea at this point in history? I'm not sure that level of idiocy is actually measurable.

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                George K
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                @Doctor-Phibes said in "Not protected hate speech":

                Just how dumb do you have to be to think that Hitler had the right idea at this point in history? I'm not sure that level of idiocy is actually measurable.

                No one, afaik, is saying that. Well, maybe someone is - but not me.

                The point, which I appear to be failing to make, is that this attorney has no concept of what the First Amendment states.

                Or for that matter what SCOTUS declared in the Skokie case.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  #8

                  Naziism is wrong, IMO. I don't know what percentage of Americans are Nazis, but I doubt it's very high. Maybe 25% at most. Basically the right-most half of the Republican party.

                  But IMO 25% Nazis, is too many Nazis. I'm sorry if that offends anybody.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Nonetheless, one has the right to believe and express those positions, abhorrent as they may be. It’s the price we pay for a free society.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #10

                      I understood your point, George. I’m just left a little mystified by people actually doing this. I guess they could conceivably be trolling, it's just a bizarre thing to do. The Twitterati seem to think it's staged, but if you were going to stage it, surely you'd make them look less sad and lonely.

                      I was only joking

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        It's their right.

                        OTOH, if the members of that synagogue decide to kick their ass, I'm sure the town has ordinances against excessive noise, creating a disturbance, etc. Fines should be stiff- at least $50 - and maybe a day of community service some Sunday...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          It's their right.

                          OTOH, if the members of that synagogue decide to kick their ass, I'm sure the town has ordinances against excessive noise, creating a disturbance, etc. Fines should be stiff- at least $50 - and maybe a day of community service some Sunday...

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                          George K
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                          @Jolly said in "Not protected hate speech":

                          and maybe a day of community service some Sunday Shabbos...

                          FIFY

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            Surely there are better ways to make them look even more stupid. Remember that guy playing the tuba?

                            https://www.wqxr.org/story/video-tuba-mocks-white-supremicists-ride-valkyries/

                            I was only joking

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
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                              That’s brilliant

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Copper
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                                Police MUST arrest these bigots and let them appeal their case to a higher court.

                                There are a lot of people in this country who feel exactly this way about Mr. Trump.

                                The speech has to be protected.

                                The relative virtue of the speech is open to criticism.

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