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What's going on in Russia?

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    Renauda
    wrote on 3 Jul 2023, 18:21 last edited by Renauda 7 Mar 2023, 23:28
    #87

    Last weekend, given the bizarreness of the events that unfolded and were magically resolved, the idea that the mutiny might have been staged did occur to me. However by mid week last, I abandoned that notion. Putin and his inner circle reman firmly in control and Prigozhin is essentially paid off and put away safely in the fridge - at least for the time being. His personal military fiefdom is being broken up and redeployed as deemed necessary. Putin will now work to take some tarnish off his up until now, carefully cultivated domestic image.

    Elbows up!

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      Renauda
      wrote on 4 Jul 2023, 15:20 last edited by
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      At best, there might have been some passive support but it was tempered by lukewarm curiosity:

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/03/russians-appeared-to-welcome-wagner-rebels-with-open-arms-the-truth-is-more-complex-a81716

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
        wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:22 last edited by
        #89

        Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

        The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

        Elbows up!

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        • R Renauda
          6 Jul 2023, 14:22

          Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

          The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

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          George K
          wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:35 last edited by
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          @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

          Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

          Outside of a 14th story window?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            6 Jul 2023, 14:35

            @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

            Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

            Outside of a 14th story window?

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:50 last edited by
            #91

            @George-K 😂 😂

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            • G George K
              6 Jul 2023, 14:35

              @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

              Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

              Outside of a 14th story window?

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              Renauda
              wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 15:10 last edited by
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              @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

              @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

              Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

              Outside of a 14th story window?

              I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

              Elbows up!

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                6 Jul 2023, 15:10

                @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

                @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                Outside of a 14th story window?

                I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

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                George K
                wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 15:11 last edited by
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                @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                You owe me a cup of coffee...

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 8 Jul 2023, 15:48 last edited by
                  #94

                  I find his analysis to be rather naive, but an interesting read.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-s-fall-could-be-the-domino-that-topples-the-world-s-autocrats/ar-AA1dzJ9C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=12

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    George K
                    wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 14:49 last edited by
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                    Prigozhin likely dead?

                    Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin’s uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group’s short-lived armed insurrection last month.

                    “My personal assessment is that I doubt we’ll see Prigozhin ever again publicly,” Abramstold ABC News. “I think he’ll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we’ll ever see him again.”

                    Asked if he thought the billionaire businessman was alive after posing the most significant challenge to Putin’s regime since he came to power in 1999, Abrams said: “I personally don’t think he is, and if he is, he’s in a prison somewhere.”

                    The retired four-star general also raised doubts about a meeting that, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin held with Prigozhin and all his senior Wagner commanders on June 29, five days after the aborted mutiny.

                    I’d be surprised if we actually see proof of life that Putin met with Prigozhin, and I think it’s highly staged,” Abrams said.

                    Peskov told reporters Monday that Putin had invited 35 people to the meeting, among them Prigozhin, and that it had lasted three hours.

                    Former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently said Prigozhin’s failed coup attempt put a target on the Russian’s back.

                    “I wouldn’t insure his life … Prigozhin clearly took a chance. If you’re going to take on the king, don’t do it with a Nerf bat. He did. It failed,” Pompeo said on WABC 770 AM radio’s “Cats Roundtable” show with host John Catsimatidis.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 15:38 last edited by
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                      @George-K He must have known what would happen. I wonder why he stopped "short" and kind of gave up?

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                        George K
                        wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 22:24 last edited by
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          13 Jul 2023, 14:49

                          Prigozhin likely dead?

                          Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin’s uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group’s short-lived armed insurrection last month.

                          “My personal assessment is that I doubt we’ll see Prigozhin ever again publicly,” Abramstold ABC News. “I think he’ll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we’ll ever see him again.”

                          Asked if he thought the billionaire businessman was alive after posing the most significant challenge to Putin’s regime since he came to power in 1999, Abrams said: “I personally don’t think he is, and if he is, he’s in a prison somewhere.”

                          The retired four-star general also raised doubts about a meeting that, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin held with Prigozhin and all his senior Wagner commanders on June 29, five days after the aborted mutiny.

                          I’d be surprised if we actually see proof of life that Putin met with Prigozhin, and I think it’s highly staged,” Abrams said.

                          Peskov told reporters Monday that Putin had invited 35 people to the meeting, among them Prigozhin, and that it had lasted three hours.

                          Former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently said Prigozhin’s failed coup attempt put a target on the Russian’s back.

                          “I wouldn’t insure his life … Prigozhin clearly took a chance. If you’re going to take on the king, don’t do it with a Nerf bat. He did. It failed,” Pompeo said on WABC 770 AM radio’s “Cats Roundtable” show with host John Catsimatidis.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 01:19 last edited by
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                          @George-K

                          Not an unreasonable assessment.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 02:13 last edited by
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                            As I said about not counting out the possible actions of disaffected troops.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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