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What's going on in Russia?

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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #86

    for what purpose?

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Renauda
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      #87

      Last weekend, given the bizarreness of the events that unfolded and were magically resolved, the idea that the mutiny might have been staged did occur to me. However by mid week last, I abandoned that notion. Putin and his inner circle reman firmly in control and Prigozhin is essentially paid off and put away safely in the fridge - at least for the time being. His personal military fiefdom is being broken up and redeployed as deemed necessary. Putin will now work to take some tarnish off his up until now, carefully cultivated domestic image.

      Elbows up!

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        #88

        At best, there might have been some passive support but it was tempered by lukewarm curiosity:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/03/russians-appeared-to-welcome-wagner-rebels-with-open-arms-the-truth-is-more-complex-a81716

        Elbows up!

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          #89

          Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

          The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

            The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

            George KG Offline
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            @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

            Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

            Outside of a 14th story window?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

              Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

              Outside of a 14th story window?

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              #91

              @George-K 😂 😂

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              • George KG George K

                @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                Outside of a 14th story window?

                RenaudaR Offline
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                @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

                @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                Outside of a 14th story window?

                I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

                  @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                  Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                  Outside of a 14th story window?

                  I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                  As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                  You owe me a cup of coffee...

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #94

                    I find his analysis to be rather naive, but an interesting read.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-s-fall-could-be-the-domino-that-topples-the-world-s-autocrats/ar-AA1dzJ9C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=12

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      George K
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                      #95

                      Prigozhin likely dead?

                      Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin’s uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group’s short-lived armed insurrection last month.

                      “My personal assessment is that I doubt we’ll see Prigozhin ever again publicly,” Abramstold ABC News. “I think he’ll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we’ll ever see him again.”

                      Asked if he thought the billionaire businessman was alive after posing the most significant challenge to Putin’s regime since he came to power in 1999, Abrams said: “I personally don’t think he is, and if he is, he’s in a prison somewhere.”

                      The retired four-star general also raised doubts about a meeting that, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin held with Prigozhin and all his senior Wagner commanders on June 29, five days after the aborted mutiny.

                      I’d be surprised if we actually see proof of life that Putin met with Prigozhin, and I think it’s highly staged,” Abrams said.

                      Peskov told reporters Monday that Putin had invited 35 people to the meeting, among them Prigozhin, and that it had lasted three hours.

                      Former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently said Prigozhin’s failed coup attempt put a target on the Russian’s back.

                      “I wouldn’t insure his life … Prigozhin clearly took a chance. If you’re going to take on the king, don’t do it with a Nerf bat. He did. It failed,” Pompeo said on WABC 770 AM radio’s “Cats Roundtable” show with host John Catsimatidis.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        @George-K He must have known what would happen. I wonder why he stopped "short" and kind of gave up?

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Prigozhin likely dead?

                            Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin’s uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group’s short-lived armed insurrection last month.

                            “My personal assessment is that I doubt we’ll see Prigozhin ever again publicly,” Abramstold ABC News. “I think he’ll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we’ll ever see him again.”

                            Asked if he thought the billionaire businessman was alive after posing the most significant challenge to Putin’s regime since he came to power in 1999, Abrams said: “I personally don’t think he is, and if he is, he’s in a prison somewhere.”

                            The retired four-star general also raised doubts about a meeting that, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin held with Prigozhin and all his senior Wagner commanders on June 29, five days after the aborted mutiny.

                            I’d be surprised if we actually see proof of life that Putin met with Prigozhin, and I think it’s highly staged,” Abrams said.

                            Peskov told reporters Monday that Putin had invited 35 people to the meeting, among them Prigozhin, and that it had lasted three hours.

                            Former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo recently said Prigozhin’s failed coup attempt put a target on the Russian’s back.

                            “I wouldn’t insure his life … Prigozhin clearly took a chance. If you’re going to take on the king, don’t do it with a Nerf bat. He did. It failed,” Pompeo said on WABC 770 AM radio’s “Cats Roundtable” show with host John Catsimatidis.

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                            Renauda
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                            @George-K

                            Not an unreasonable assessment.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              As I said about not counting out the possible actions of disaffected troops.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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