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Test scores continue declines post pandemic

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    https://apnews.com/article/math-reading-test-scores-pandemic-school-032eafd7d087227f42808052fe447d76

    NAEP test scores dropped precipitously during the pandemic, and they continue to decline two years after students return to classrooms after the pandemic. Higher performing students’ test scores decline less, lower performing students’ test scores decline more, but they all decline nonetheless.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #2

      Not really surprising, I suppose.

      I wonder if the same pattern can fe found in other countries, and whether it is apparent in countries which did not close schools or implement some kind of hybrid closing program.

      And this little tidbit:

      The test also revealed a troubling increase in student absenteeism. The share of students missing five or more days of schools in a month doubled since 2020, reaching 10% this year.

      Missing five days of school IN A MONTH??

      Students with fewer missed days had higher average scores in both reading and math, according to the results.

      Duh...

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        #3

        The puberty blockers that are being hidden in the school lunches are probably messing with the kids…

        The Brad

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Well, duh. You screw the kids over for two years and the expect them to learn at grade level? They're drowning once they came back to the classroom, so we throw them an anvil.

          Education is like building a high rise...Gut the support beams of one or two floors and it becomes very difficult to build past the bad part.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #5

            But.. But.. Donald Trump’s Surgeon General was just posting yesterday about how the COVID students were going to surpass the “Greatest Generation!”

            The Brad

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #6

              Don't think so.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                I really wonder how much all of this is going to affect their trajectories in adulthood. Tests are tests, and most of what you learned in school is not much used day to day. I think most of them will probably do OK.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                  #8

                  Most of today's school kids don't even know how to program a VCR.

                  So, in some ways they're a lot like the greatest generation.

                  I was only joking

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    #9

                    Seems the opposite is happening here…..or, at least, it is in Ontario:

                    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-university-admission-rising-grades-1.6875357

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #10

                      Ax's post points to a national exam (8,700 students) that appears to be a standardized exam.

                      Ontario's results are increasing grades. Not the same thing, is it? If everyone is getting a 96, one has to question the validity of the tests/grading process.

                      Much of that rise occurred in the spring of 2020, when Ontario's Ministry of Education issued a directive that each student's mark in each course must not fall below where it stood when the pandemic forced the cancellation of in-person classes.

                      IOW, it was guaranteed that the students grades would not be any lower.

                      Inflation:

                      Dwayne Benjamin, the University of Toronto's vice provost of strategic enrolment management, says grade inflation also creates challenges for incoming students.

                      "They may have an exaggerated sense of their own preparedness," said Benjamin.

                      "Grades are information. Grade inflation distorts the information and degrades the quality of the information," he said. "To the extent that the grades don't mean the same thing one year to the next, it makes it difficult for everybody."

                      Remember the good old days when a "Gentleman's 'C'" was perfectly acceptable? Now, all the men are strong, all the women are good looking and all the children are above average.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        Most of today's school kids don't even know how to program a VCR.

                        So, in some ways they're a lot like the greatest generation.

                        MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        #11

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Test scores continue declines post pandemic:

                        Most of today's school kids don't even know how to program a VCR.

                        So, in some ways they're a lot like the greatest generation.

                        SNORT

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • George KG George K

                          Ax's post points to a national exam (8,700 students) that appears to be a standardized exam.

                          Ontario's results are increasing grades. Not the same thing, is it? If everyone is getting a 96, one has to question the validity of the tests/grading process.

                          Much of that rise occurred in the spring of 2020, when Ontario's Ministry of Education issued a directive that each student's mark in each course must not fall below where it stood when the pandemic forced the cancellation of in-person classes.

                          IOW, it was guaranteed that the students grades would not be any lower.

                          Inflation:

                          Dwayne Benjamin, the University of Toronto's vice provost of strategic enrolment management, says grade inflation also creates challenges for incoming students.

                          "They may have an exaggerated sense of their own preparedness," said Benjamin.

                          "Grades are information. Grade inflation distorts the information and degrades the quality of the information," he said. "To the extent that the grades don't mean the same thing one year to the next, it makes it difficult for everybody."

                          Remember the good old days when a "Gentleman's 'C'" was perfectly acceptable? Now, all the men are strong, all the women are good looking and all the children are above average.

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                          @George-K said in Test scores continue declines post pandemic:

                          Ax's post points to a national exam (8,700 students) that appears to be a standardized exam.

                          Ontario's results are increasing grades. Not the same thing, is it? If everyone is getting a 96, one has to question the validity of the tests/grading process.

                          Much of that rise occurred in the spring of 2020, when Ontario's Ministry of Education issued a directive that each student's mark in each course must not fall below where it stood when the pandemic forced the cancellation of in-person classes.

                          IOW, it was guaranteed that the students grades would not be any lower.

                          Inflation:

                          Dwayne Benjamin, the University of Toronto's vice provost of strategic enrolment management, says grade inflation also creates challenges for incoming students.

                          "They may have an exaggerated sense of their own preparedness," said Benjamin.

                          "Grades are information. Grade inflation distorts the information and degrades the quality of the information," he said. "To the extent that the grades don't mean the same thing one year to the next, it makes it difficult for everybody."

                          Remember the good old days when a "Gentleman's 'C'" was perfectly acceptable? Now, all the men are strong, all the women are good looking and all the children are above average.

                          I went to school back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but several of the guys I took classes with went to med school. They were some hellatiously smart people. One of them graduated with a 4.0 GPA. he was the fourth person in 80 years to do so. Nowadays, they graduate one almost every year with a perfect GPA.

                          I don't think the kids are that much smarter.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Ax's post points to a national exam (8,700 students) that appears to be a standardized exam.

                              Ontario's results are increasing grades. Not the same thing, is it? If everyone is getting a 96, one has to question the validity of the tests/grading process.

                              Much of that rise occurred in the spring of 2020, when Ontario's Ministry of Education issued a directive that each student's mark in each course must not fall below where it stood when the pandemic forced the cancellation of in-person classes.

                              IOW, it was guaranteed that the students grades would not be any lower.

                              Inflation:

                              Dwayne Benjamin, the University of Toronto's vice provost of strategic enrolment management, says grade inflation also creates challenges for incoming students.

                              "They may have an exaggerated sense of their own preparedness," said Benjamin.

                              "Grades are information. Grade inflation distorts the information and degrades the quality of the information," he said. "To the extent that the grades don't mean the same thing one year to the next, it makes it difficult for everybody."

                              Remember the good old days when a "Gentleman's 'C'" was perfectly acceptable? Now, all the men are strong, all the women are good looking and all the children are above average.

                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #14

                              @George-K

                              Don’t know. National standardized exams don’t exist here. Education is strictly a provincial jurisdiction. Feds have no input or jurisdiction whatsoever. Provide no funding either.

                              There are standardized provincial achievement exams for high school graduation in some provinces of which I believe Ontario is one.

                              Elbows up!

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