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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

    Maybe I should put Finley on puberty blockers now while I try to figure this out?

    If you see a parent so triggered by news about car sales regulations as to threaten to put a child on puberty blocker, would you be concerned enough to report it to state authorities?

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    LuFins Dad
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    @Axtremus said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

    Maybe I should put Finley on puberty blockers now while I try to figure this out?

    If you see a parent so triggered by news about car sales regulations as to threaten to put a child on puberty blocker, would you be concerned enough to report it to state authorities?

    Why? It’s a completely safe and reversible step? Puberty is not, so it’s in everybody’s best interest to be absolutely certain, no?

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @Axtremus said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

      @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

      Maybe I should put Finley on puberty blockers now while I try to figure this out?

      If you see a parent so triggered by news about car sales regulations as to threaten to put a child on puberty blocker, would you be concerned enough to report it to state authorities?

      Why? It’s a completely safe and reversible step? Puberty is not, so it’s in everybody’s best interest to be absolutely certain, no?

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      Axtremus
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

      @Axtremus said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

      @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

      Maybe I should put Finley on puberty blockers now while I try to figure this out?

      If you see a parent so triggered by news about car sales regulations as to threaten to put a child on puberty blocker, would you be concerned enough to report it to state authorities?

      Why? It’s a completely safe and reversible step? Puberty is not, so it’s in everybody’s best interest to be absolutely certain, no?

      Do you think it's completely safe and reversible?

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        LuFins Dad
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        #11

        The finest medical authorities and the Federal government have assured me that it it is…

        The Brad

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          LuFins Dad
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          #12

          By the way, Rivian and Lucid do not have Dealership business model and only offer Direct to Consumer business models as well. I imagine that they are exempt as well…

          The Brad

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            LuFins Dad
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            And it’s worth a conversational about whether the dealership model adds a level of service and accountability for the consumer that merits some protection? I’m not sure that it does, but it is worth consideration.

            I know various piano manufacturers have attempted direct to consumer sales with mixed results at best and outright failures at worst. It’s worth exploring at the least…

            The Brad

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #14

              I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

              I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

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                LuFins Dad
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                @Mik said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

                I read an article that seemed to indicate that car manufacturers would also likely reduce the low-mid price point vehicles. They saw too much profit on the higher end models and will want to focus solely on that market and let used cars fill the gap. No more new Ford Fiestas, it’s used Fusions for you…

                That brings up another potential benefit lost with the death of the dealership. It is valuable to go to a Dealership that operates multiple brands in a large park. Go to their Honda lot, then their GMC, then their Hyundai… You will also see a larger selection of used cars and a higher quality of used than you see at used car dealerships.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Mik said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                  I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                  I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

                  I read an article that seemed to indicate that car manufacturers would also likely reduce the low-mid price point vehicles. They saw too much profit on the higher end models and will want to focus solely on that market and let used cars fill the gap. No more new Ford Fiestas, it’s used Fusions for you…

                  That brings up another potential benefit lost with the death of the dealership. It is valuable to go to a Dealership that operates multiple brands in a large park. Go to their Honda lot, then their GMC, then their Hyundai… You will also see a larger selection of used cars and a higher quality of used than you see at used car dealerships.

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                  @Mik said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                  I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                  I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

                  I read an article that seemed to indicate that car manufacturers would also likely reduce the low-mid price point vehicles. They saw too much profit on the higher end models and will want to focus solely on that market and let used cars fill the gap. No more new Ford Fiestas, it’s used Fusions for you…

                  That brings up another potential benefit lost with the death of the dealership. It is valuable to go to a Dealership that operates multiple brands in a large park. Go to their Honda lot, then their GMC, then their Hyundai… You will also see a larger selection of used cars and a higher quality of used than you see at used car dealerships.

                  Can fix the lack of affordable cars by going back to a form of the old CAFE standards. Manufacturers have to hit a certain fleet mpg number, so they need to move smaller, higher mpg models to do it or face a fine.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                    @Mik said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                    I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                    I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

                    I read an article that seemed to indicate that car manufacturers would also likely reduce the low-mid price point vehicles. They saw too much profit on the higher end models and will want to focus solely on that market and let used cars fill the gap. No more new Ford Fiestas, it’s used Fusions for you…

                    That brings up another potential benefit lost with the death of the dealership. It is valuable to go to a Dealership that operates multiple brands in a large park. Go to their Honda lot, then their GMC, then their Hyundai… You will also see a larger selection of used cars and a higher quality of used than you see at used car dealerships.

                    Can fix the lack of affordable cars by going back to a form of the old CAFE standards. Manufacturers have to hit a certain fleet mpg number, so they need to move smaller, higher mpg models to do it or face a fine.

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                    @Jolly said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                    @Mik said in Florida reaffirms car dealers' stranglehold except Tesla:

                    I think it used to, at least to a degree, as so many Americans lived in smaller towns. In the era of the suburb where no one knows anyone else I'm not sure it still holds true. In smaller towns it still does.

                    I suspect that fully direct to consumer would lead to a Walmart effect, where those who live in more rural areas would have to travel a lot further for purchases and service.

                    I read an article that seemed to indicate that car manufacturers would also likely reduce the low-mid price point vehicles. They saw too much profit on the higher end models and will want to focus solely on that market and let used cars fill the gap. No more new Ford Fiestas, it’s used Fusions for you…

                    That brings up another potential benefit lost with the death of the dealership. It is valuable to go to a Dealership that operates multiple brands in a large park. Go to their Honda lot, then their GMC, then their Hyundai… You will also see a larger selection of used cars and a higher quality of used than you see at used car dealerships.

                    Can fix the lack of affordable cars by going back to a form of the old CAFE standards. Manufacturers have to hit a certain fleet mpg number, so they need to move smaller, higher mpg models to do it or face a fine.

                    Great, so they offer the Fiesta Titanium Package…

                    The Brad

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                      The amount of money made on new cars won't keep the doors open on even the busiest of dealerships. At least not in normal times (today's inflated prices are unbelievable).

                      The money is usually made in the shop and on the used cars. Along with financing and insurance.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-loses-bid-overturn-louisianas-ban-direct-car-sales-2023-06-16/

                        Over in Louisiana, Tesla tried to overturn an existing ban on direct sales to customers and failed.

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                          Right - that’s been what Tesla has been facing in many or even most states. That’s why I see the FL bill as progress.

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