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    George K
    wrote on 19 May 2023, 22:02 last edited by
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    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fbi-abused-surveillance-tool-against-george-floyd-protesters-jan-6?utm_source=justthenews.com&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=external-news-aggregators


    The FBI violated civil liberties against George Floyd protesters and Jan. 6 participants through the improper use of a surveillance tool, according to a filing from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) unsealed Friday, that undercuts claims by FBI Director Christopher Wray that the bureau had reformed its process for using it.

    The revelation is certain to place pressure on Congress, which must decide this year whether to renew the law permitting the bureau's use of the Section 702 database. The April 2022 opinion from the FISC, which the Washington Post obtained, indicated that the bureau had improperly made use of the database more than 278,000 times, including against the aforementioned groups, crime victims, and political donors.

    The FBI insists it has reformed its use of the database, though the bureau's critics, among them conservative lawmakers, have questioned the validity of those assertions.

    "Chris Wray told us we can sleep well at night because of the FBI's so-called FISA reforms. But it just keeps getting worse," said House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan to Just the News.

    The FBI may only access the Section 702 database when seeking information related to foreign intelligence or evidence of crimes. The database includes countless electronic communications and other materials that the bureau may search for those purposes.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 20 May 2023, 01:28 last edited by
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      Just no.

      Either side of the political spectrum. Just no.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 20 May 2023, 01:45 last edited by
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        1. This is bad, the FBI should not have done those database searches without proper judicial oversight.

        2. Not clear on what the enforcement mechanism is, though, to keep the federal law enforcement agents inline with regards to improper domestic data surveillance of Americans.

        3. You should thank Edward Snowden. If it were not for Edward Snowden blowing the whistle on PRISM, we the American citizens probably would not even know about the Section 702 database that's built from PRISM.

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        • A Axtremus
          20 May 2023, 01:45
          1. This is bad, the FBI should not have done those database searches without proper judicial oversight.

          2. Not clear on what the enforcement mechanism is, though, to keep the federal law enforcement agents inline with regards to improper domestic data surveillance of Americans.

          3. You should thank Edward Snowden. If it were not for Edward Snowden blowing the whistle on PRISM, we the American citizens probably would not even know about the Section 702 database that's built from PRISM.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 20 May 2023, 12:57 last edited by
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          @Axtremus said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

          Not clear on what the enforcement mechanism is, though, to keep the federal law enforcement agents inline with regards to improper domestic data surveillance of Americans.

          💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

          That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • J Jolly
            20 May 2023, 12:57

            @Axtremus said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

            Not clear on what the enforcement mechanism is, though, to keep the federal law enforcement agents inline with regards to improper domestic data surveillance of Americans.

            💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

            That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

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            George K
            wrote on 20 May 2023, 13:00 last edited by
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            @Jolly also, there's probably some kind of paper trail on who authorized these searches.

            I know firing someone from a gummint position is nigh-on impossible.

            Perhaps they can be relocated. I hear Minot is nice - at least during part of the year.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • G George K
              20 May 2023, 13:00

              @Jolly also, there's probably some kind of paper trail on who authorized these searches.

              I know firing someone from a gummint position is nigh-on impossible.

              Perhaps they can be relocated. I hear Minot is nice - at least during part of the year.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 20 May 2023, 13:02 last edited by
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              @George-K said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

              @Jolly also, there's probably some kind of paper trail on who authorized these searches.

              I know firing someone from a gummint position is nigh-on impossible.

              Perhaps they can be relocated. I hear Minot is nice - at least during part of the year.

              The northern lights are better in Fairbanks.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                20 May 2023, 12:57

                @Axtremus said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

                Not clear on what the enforcement mechanism is, though, to keep the federal law enforcement agents inline with regards to improper domestic data surveillance of Americans.

                💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

                That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 20 May 2023, 13:14 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

                💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

                That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

                Well, the BLM movement has experimented with "cut their budget" for law enforcement agencies. What have you learned?

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                  20 May 2023, 13:14

                  @Jolly said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

                  💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

                  That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

                  Well, the BLM movement has experimented with "cut their budget" for law enforcement agencies. What have you learned?

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 20 May 2023, 14:01 last edited by
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                  @Axtremus said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

                  @Jolly said in 278,000 warrantless searches:

                  💸 💸 Cut their budget. 💸 💸

                  That would get their attention. Doesn't have to be Draconian, just no increase and a 10% cut of the existing.

                  Well, the BLM movement has experimented with "cut their budget" for law enforcement agencies. What have you learned?

                  It works.

                  Who fucks with BLM?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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