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Schizophrenia and Weed

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Young Men at Highest Schizophrenia Risk From Cannabis Abuse

    A new study confirms the robust link between cannabis use and schizophrenia among men and women but suggests that young men may be especially susceptible to schizophrenia from cannabis abuse.

    Of note, investigators estimate that roughly 15% of schizophrenia cases among young males may be preventable by avoiding cannabis use disorder (CUD),

    "The entanglement of substance use disorders and mental illnesses is a major public health issue, requiring urgent action and support for people who need it," study co-author Nora Volkow, MD, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, says in a news release.

    "As access to potent cannabis products continues to expand, it is crucial that we also expand prevention, screening, and treatment for people who may experience mental illnesses associated with cannabis use," Volkow adds.

    The study was published online May 4 in Psychological Medicine.

    The researchers analyzed Danish registry data spanning five decades and representing more than 6.9 million people in Denmark to estimate the population-level percentage of schizophrenia cases attributable to CUD.

    A total of 60,563 participants were diagnosed with CUD. Three quarters of cases were in men; there were 45,327 incident cases of schizophrenia during the study period.

    The overall adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) for CUD on schizophrenia was slightly higher among males than females (aHR, 2.42 vs 2.02); however, among those aged 16 to 20 years, the adjusted incidence risk ratio (aIRR) for males was more than twice that for females (aIRR, 3.84 vs 1.81).

    The researchers estimate that in 2021, about 15% of schizophrenia cases among males aged 16 to 49 could have been avoided by preventing CUD, compared with 4% among females in this age range.

    For young men aged 21 to 30, the proportion of preventable schizophrenia cases related to CUD may be as high as 30%, the authors report.

    "Alongside the increasing evidence that CUD is a modifiable risk factor for schizophrenia, our findings underscore the importance of evidence-based strategies to regulate cannabis use and to effectively prevent, screen for, and treat CUD as well as schizophrenia," the researchers write.

    In a press statement, lead investigator Carsten Hjorthøj, PhD, with the University of Copenhagen, notes that "increases in the legalization of cannabis over the past few decades have made it one of the most frequently used psychoactive substances in the world, while also decreasing the public's perception of its harm. This study adds to our growing understanding that cannabis use is not harmless, and that risks are not fixed at one point in time."

    In a prior study, Hjorthøj and colleagues found that the proportion of new schizophrenia cases attributable to CUD has consistently increased over the past 20 years, as reported by Medscape Medical News.

    "In my view, the association is most likely causative, at least to a large extent," Hjorthøj told Medscape Medical News at the time this research was published.

    "It is of course nearly impossible to use epidemiological studies to actually prove causation, but all the numbers behave exactly in the way that would be expected under the theory of causation," Hjorthøj added.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      Interesting. I can think of one such case from my undergraduate years in the ‘70’s. The guy is still fucked up last time I saw him about 5 years back. Brought on by some strong pot popular back in those days. It was a bad trip that has lasted fifty years.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Interesting. I can think of one such case from my undergraduate years in the ‘70’s. The guy is still fucked up last time I saw him about 5 years back. Brought on by some strong pot popular back in those days. It was a bad trip that has lasted fifty years.

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        George K
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        @Renauda indeed.

        I know of one very heavy user of marijuana who has displayed obvious symptoms consistent with schizophrenia - hallucinations, etc.

        Of course the possibility exists that he was that way before his heavy weed usage.

        I'll never know.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          blondie
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          Interesting. I went all through school with someone who killed himself at age 18. He was a heavy cannabis user, probably started at age 11 or 12. Years later a friend who was doing microfiche work with medical records tripped upon his. He was schizophrenic.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            Doesn't matter who is damaged or who dies. The money machine for the state is spitting out money and the flow will not be stopped.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              I can easily believe this. I really enjoyed it before it became so powerful., when it was a social thing to pass around a few joints. Then in the late 70's and beyond it became almost incapacitating and caused very unpleasant thoughts about myself and my life.

              Whether it is cause or catalyst, this needs to be looked at very deeply.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Doesn't matter who is damaged or who dies. The money machine for the state is spitting out money and the flow will not be stopped.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
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                @Jolly said in Schizophrenia and Weed:

                The money machine for the state is spitting out money and the flow will not be stopped.

                That's right. The state tax on weed here in Illinois is amazing.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  Like gambling, which ruins people's lives, once the state gets the money bit between its teeth, ain't no slowing the horse down...The Beast must be fed.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • markM Offline
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                    There is always someone wanting to keep it illegal.

                    yet...

                    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/cannabis-knocks-down-pain-improves-sleep-and-lifts-brain-fog-in-cancer-patients

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Should all drugs be legal?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • markM mark

                        There is always someone wanting to keep it illegal.

                        yet...

                        https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/cannabis-knocks-down-pain-improves-sleep-and-lifts-brain-fog-in-cancer-patients

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                        Mik
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                        @mark said in Schizophrenia and Weed:

                        There is always someone wanting to keep it illegal.

                        yet...

                        https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/cannabis-knocks-down-pain-improves-sleep-and-lifts-brain-fog-in-cancer-patients

                        Illegal never stopped it, or even slowed it down. That would be pointless. But I do think this should be looked at, like any potential health hazard, mental or physical.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Should all drugs be legal?

                          markM Offline
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                          @Jolly said in Schizophrenia and Weed:

                          Should all drugs be legal?

                          Yes.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            That's a libertarian view and I'll meet you halfway...All drugs legal, as long as 0 tax dollars are allocated for treatment, food and housing for addicts, and hospitals can shove an OD out of the ED, and let them die on the sidewalk.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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