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  • George KG George K

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

    How many pardons were for colleagues or personal friends of Obama?

    Good question and I don’t know. However, the number of traitors and deserters is probably smaller.

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    @George-K said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

    How many pardons were for colleagues or personal friends of Obama?

    Good question and I don’t know. However, the number of traitors and deserters is probably smaller.

    I'd completely forgotten about the Bubba Pardons

    Bill Clinton committed some of the worst abuses of this power, including pardons for his brother Roger Clinton and his friend and Whitewater business partner Susan McDougal. He pardoned the fugitive financier Marc Rich, who evaded justice by fleeing abroad. Entirely unrepentant, Rich was a major Democratic donor, and Clinton wiped away his convictions for fraud, tax evasion, racketeering, and illegal dealings with Iran.

    And others:

    Franklin Roosevelt also pardoned political allies, including Conrad Mann, a close associate of Kansas City political boss Thomas Pendergast. Pendergast made a fortune off illegal alcohol, gambling, and graft, and helped put Harry Truman into office. Truman also misused this power, including pardoning the thoroughly corrupt George Caldwell, a Democratic state official who skimmed massive amounts of money off government projects, such as a building fund for Louisiana State University.

    Richard Nixon was both giver and receiver of controversial pardons. He pardoned Jimmy Hoffa after the Teamsters Union leader pledged to support his reelection bid. Nixon himself was later pardoned by Gerald Ford, an act many of us view as a mistake. Ronald Reagan refused to pardon the Iran Contra affair figures, but his vice president, George H.W. Bush, did so after becoming president. Despite his alleged involvement in that scandal, Bush pardoned other Iran Contra figures, such as Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger.

    And this goes all the way back to Jefferson and Jackson, as Turley points out.

    Is this justification for the Stone commutation of sentence for what are, basically, process crimes? No. But put in perspective, it's small potatoes.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      It is funny how biases interpret the results:

      President Obama pardons/commutations
      Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
      Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

      President Trump pardons/commutations
      Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
      Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

      🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

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        Jolly
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        #14

        Several things need mentioning....

        1. Trump commuted the sentence. He did not pardon Stone.
        2. Trump thought Stone did not get a fair trial, because the jury was biased. Hell, the judge said the jury was biased, but that was a defense attorney problem, not a judge problem.
        3. The state and the Feds are currently releasing non-violent offenders from prisons. Somewhere around 24,000, IIRC. The prison Stone was supposed to report to, had been COVID free. They now have 30 cases. You send a 67 year-old non-violent offenders to a COVID hotspot? Nah.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          It is funny how biases interpret the results:

          President Obama pardons/commutations
          Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
          Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

          President Trump pardons/commutations
          Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
          Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

          🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

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          Jolly
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          #15

          @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

          It is funny how biases interpret the results:

          President Obama pardons/commutations
          Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
          Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

          President Trump pardons/commutations
          Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
          Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

          🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

          You need to take a very hard look at the number of pardons and who they went to.

          You know, everything is not equal and only roadkill is always in the middle of the road.😊

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

            It is funny how biases interpret the results:

            President Obama pardons/commutations
            Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
            Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

            President Trump pardons/commutations
            Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
            Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

            🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

            You need to take a very hard look at the number of pardons and who they went to.

            You know, everything is not equal and only roadkill is always in the middle of the road.😊

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            taiwan_girl
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            @Jolly said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

            @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

            It is funny how biases interpret the results:

            President Obama pardons/commutations
            Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
            Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

            President Trump pardons/commutations
            Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
            Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

            🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

            You need to take a very hard look at the number of pardons and who they went to.

            You know, everything is not equal and only roadkill is always in the middle of the road.😊

            You are making my point! LOL

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              Catseye3
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              I'm finding that the worse and/or more bizarre things get, the more narrowly I choose what to get agitated over. This of the Stone pardon is SSDD in my book, and I don't give a flyin flip whether the guy goes to prison or not.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                President Obama pardons/commutations
                Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                President Trump pardons/commutations
                Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

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                Larry
                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                President Obama pardons/commutations
                Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                President Trump pardons/commutations
                Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

                Sorry. But the republicans said nothing of the sort.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @Jolly said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                  It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                  President Obama pardons/commutations
                  Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                  Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                  President Trump pardons/commutations
                  Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                  Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                  🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

                  You need to take a very hard look at the number of pardons and who they went to.

                  You know, everything is not equal and only roadkill is always in the middle of the road.😊

                  You are making my point! LOL

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                  Larry
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                  #19

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                  @Jolly said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                  @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                  It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                  President Obama pardons/commutations
                  Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                  Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                  President Trump pardons/commutations
                  Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                  Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                  🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

                  You need to take a very hard look at the number of pardons and who they went to.

                  You know, everything is not equal and only roadkill is always in the middle of the road.😊

                  You are making my point! LOL

                  Exactly how is he making your point?

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                  • LarryL Larry

                    @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                    It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                    President Obama pardons/commutations
                    Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                    Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                    President Trump pardons/commutations
                    Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                    Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                    🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

                    Sorry. But the republicans said nothing of the sort.

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                    taiwan_girl
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                    #20

                    @Larry said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                    @taiwan_girl said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                    It is funny how biases interpret the results:

                    President Obama pardons/commutations
                    Democrat response - presidential privilege and he is within the law to do so
                    Republic response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law

                    President Trump pardons/commutations
                    Democrat response - abuse of power and going outside the normal course of law
                    Republic response - presidential privledge and he is within the law to do so

                    🙄 😂 🙄 😂 🙄 😂

                    Sorry. But the republicans said nothing of the sort.

                    Lindsey Graham

                    dbdailyupdate

                    President Trump Campaign Press Secretary

                    etc.

                    My point is, that if it is "your (generic)" guy who does the pardons or commutations, it is reasonable and justified.

                    If the "other guy" does a pardon or commutation, it is blatant abuse of power.

                    Democrats are no better than Republics in this case. Each president has done some that "seem" to be justified, and each have done some which are pretty obvious political.

                    My guess is that there have been hundreds of men in their 60's convicted of non violent crimes at the federal level. Why only Roger Stone have his sentence commuted by President Trump?

                    (I am sure that I would find the same type of information if I went back to President Obamas pardons, etc.)

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                      Larry
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                      You gave me 3 articles all commenting on one person, all 3 saying the same thing. That his sentence commutation was justified.. And you think that proves you previous statements....

                      Jesus..

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                        Larry
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                        TG, I know you may not be feeling it right now, but I do like you and I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you.

                        But no matter what is being discussed, your take on it is that there's no difference, everything equals out, nothing changes, etc.. You aren't open to that broad viewpoint might be wrong, even though following your logic to its conclusion, there's no point to anything, nothing anyone does matters, nothing has any effect on anything. And that just won't hold wzter.

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                          xenon
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                          It’s an interesting precedent. Get cronies to commit crimes for you, then get them outta jail.

                          Nothing legally wrong with it I guess, the President is entitled to do it.

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                            Larry
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                            Exactly what crimes do you think he committed?

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                              It’s an interesting precedent. Get cronies to commit crimes for you, then get them outta jail.

                              Nothing legally wrong with it I guess, the President is entitled to do it.

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                              Jolly
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                              @xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                              It’s an interesting precedent. Get cronies to commit crimes for you, then get them outta jail.

                              Nothing legally wrong with it I guess, the President is entitled to do it.

                              IIRC, all of Stone's crimes were process crimes, as a result of the Mueller investigation(which we now know was a bucket of assholes). So what crime did he commit for Trump?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • LarryL Larry

                                Exactly what crimes do you think he committed?

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                                xenon
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                                @Larry the ones that Barr mentioned in my first post in this thread.

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                                  @Larry the ones that Barr mentioned in my first post in this thread.

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                                  Jolly
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                                  @xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                                  @Larry the ones that Barr mentioned in my first post in this thread.

                                  Again, those are process crimes. You're dodging the question.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                                    @Larry the ones that Barr mentioned in my first post in this thread.

                                    Again, those are process crimes. You're dodging the question.

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                                    xenon
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                                    #28

                                    @Jolly how’s that a dodge? He committed crimes. Barr specifically mentioned he deserved to be in jail for them and not have his sentence commuted.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      Get cronies to commit crimes for you, then get them outta jail.

                                      Again, what crimes did Stone commit for Trump?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Get cronies to commit crimes for you, then get them outta jail.

                                        Again, what crimes did Stone commit for Trump?

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                                        xenon
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                                        @Jolly just clarifying - you want me to recount the specific Wikileaks saga between Stone and the Trump campaign, or how he perjured himself about it, or how he threatened other witnesses to not talk?

                                        Regardless of the particulars - he was convicted. Barr agrees with the conviction. The crimes were related to helping Trump.

                                        I’m not sure what you want me to recount to you.

                                        I can link articles for you if you’re curious about the details of his conviction.

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                                          @Jolly just clarifying - you want me to recount the specific Wikileaks saga between Stone and the Trump campaign, or how he perjured himself about it, or how he threatened other witnesses to not talk?

                                          Regardless of the particulars - he was convicted. Barr agrees with the conviction. The crimes were related to helping Trump.

                                          I’m not sure what you want me to recount to you.

                                          I can link articles for you if you’re curious about the details of his conviction.

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                                          Jolly
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                                          @xenon said in Trump commutes Roger Stone’s sentence:

                                          @Jolly just clarifying - you want me to recount the specific Wikileaks saga between Stone and the Trump campaign, or how he perjured himself about it, or how he threatened other witnesses to not talk?

                                          Regardless of the particulars - he was convicted. Barr agrees with the conviction. The crimes were related to helping Trump.

                                          I’m not sure what you want me to recount to you.

                                          I can link articles for you if you’re curious about the details of his conviction.

                                          Again, what crimes did Stone commit for Trump? Not because of who Trump was, not because they were process crimes, but what crimes did Stone commit for Trump?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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