Sometimes cruelty is the whole point
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:04 last edited by
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:12 last edited by
I'd have to know what the purpose of this is, because I surely don't see one on its face.
I know some DACA folks. They didn't knowingly break any laws. They were brought here as children.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:12 last edited by
I have no idea what that largely redacted screenshot in the tweet means. I don't suppose the author of the tweet wants me to know. But, "Cruelty is the whole point" (of the other tribe) is a Manichean thought. I suspect the whole point of this is not cruelty.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:15 last edited by
Humans literally didn't evolve to be cruel, though it's part of our nature, when we're in groups. This can be traced back to Chimpanzees, who do indeed stage war parties, murderous, the victims of which are indiscriminate. But mostly they live their lives in reciprocal relationships. I think our current issue is ignorance, of the results of our ideologies, which are beyond our individual control.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:15 last edited by
What is an "attorney with DACA"?
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:16 last edited by
Nothing is redacted, it’s all legible.
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I'd have to know what the purpose of this is, because I surely don't see one on its face.
I know some DACA folks. They didn't knowingly break any laws. They were brought here as children.
wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:16 last edited by@Mik said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
I'd have to know what the purpose of this is, because I surely don't see one on its face.
I know some DACA folks. They didn't knowingly break any laws. They were brought here as children.
My point exactly.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:16 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
Nothing is redacted, it’s all legible.
Granted redacted is the wrong word. Striked out, which may mean something legally.
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@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
Nothing is redacted, it’s all legible.
Granted redacted is the wrong word. Striked out, which may mean something legally.
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@Horace It says right underneath that words stricken are deletions, words underlined additions. Note the end, section 9, mentions the repeal of the stricken section, but only after November of 2028
wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
@Horace It says right underneath that words stricken are deletions, words underlined additions. Note the end, section 9, mentions the repeal of the stricken section, but only after November of 2028
Anyway, you can go ahead and believe that the whole point is cruelty. All the people involved are cruel for the sake of being cruel. It's a comforting thought, as a tribalist.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:22 last edited by
I'm reading a bit of the background. What this actually does is repeal a bill from 2014 that allowed the undocumented to be admitted to the bar and practice law. I suppose if they are not at least in the process of becoming a citizen it makes a bit more sense.
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@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
@Horace It says right underneath that words stricken are deletions, words underlined additions. Note the end, section 9, mentions the repeal of the stricken section, but only after November of 2028
Anyway, you can go ahead and believe that the whole point is cruelty. All the people involved are cruel for the sake of being cruel. It's a comforting thought, as a tribalist.
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I'm reading a bit of the background. What this actually does is repeal a bill from 2014 that allowed the undocumented to be admitted to the bar and practice law. I suppose if they are not at least in the process of becoming a citizen it makes a bit more sense.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:24 last edited by
One interesting thought I've come across recently is that the only real tribe is the left, as it's the historically definable set of thoughts and ideologies. The right is actually only defined as everything not that. The right has always been the place for individuals.
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One interesting thought I've come across recently is that the only real tribe is the left, as it's the historically definable set of thoughts and ideologies. The right is actually only defined as everything not that. The right has always been the place for individuals.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:26 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
Maybe you can think of another motive?
It's a bill. I don't even know how many pages it is.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:28 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
@Horace Sugar and spice and everything nice?
Absolutely not. But probably not the place for the indoctrinatable and/or the climbers. I mean not currently.
The right was for social climbers in America approximately 70 years ago, probably not since then.
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@Mik The DACA program doesn't offer a pathway to permanent legal status or citizenship. They’re kind of screwed, unless they marry a native.
wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:28 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Sometimes cruelty is the whole point:
@Mik The DACA program doesn't offer a pathway to permanent legal status or citizenship. They’re kind of screwed, unless they marry a native.
That should be corrected. Just leaving them in status limbo forever is just as cruel. It all comes down to Congress cowardice to act over the past 30 years.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:30 last edited by Jolly 5 Mar 2023, 16:33
Want to fix the system?
Pain fixes the system. You take every illegal in this country and deport them.
Every. One. DACA. Non-DACA. Every. One.
Set up a series of boards and immigration judges, let them interpret the law being as lenient as they can. Provide an accelerated way for the DACA folks to acquire legal green cards or even give them a path to citizenship.
While we're doing that, let's take a good, hard look at immigration law. Let's provide for a Braceros work program such as FDR's with accelerated approval and background checks. Let's take a look at who we allow in the country and try to be as fair and equitable as possible. And lastly, let's put a Constitutional Amendment out there for ratification, simply stating that the ONLY way to become a citizen of the U.S. is to be born here, or to be formally naturalized. (Born here would apply to soldier's families and embassy personnel).
Then close the damn borders. Make it a felony to enter the country illegally, punishable by a mandatory 10 years incarceration, no parole. And work 'em for the public good. For six days out of every seven, for ten years, I want them cleaning public buildings and parks. I want them painting schools. I want them working on truck farms, growing food for people on welfare and for themselves. In short, I want them working and not sitting on their keister.
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wrote on 3 May 2023, 16:33 last edited by
Based on a few assumptions and googling some data, this probably applies to just a couple dozen people.