A Dying Breed
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The end of the English major?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/06/the-end-of-the-english-major
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Now, the possible politics...
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Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
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Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Try the New Yorker article first. Some ideas in there, including how the iPhone helped kill the English major.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Maybe they want us all doing l33t speak because it's less expressive.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Maybe they want us all doing l33t speak because it's less expressive.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Try the New Yorker article first. Some ideas in there, including how the iPhone helped kill the English major.
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@Jolly said in A Dying Breed:
how the iPhone helped kill the English major.
Why not? It ain't like nobody uses it no more.
@Catseye3 said in A Dying Breed:
@Jolly said in A Dying Breed:
how the iPhone helped kill the English major.
Why not? It ain't like nobody uses it no more.
Who aksed you?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Maybe they want us all doing l33t speak because it's less expressive.
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Awesome!
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Maybe they want us all doing l33t speak because it's less expressive.
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success.
SHHHHHH c'mon man, keep it a secret then why don't you?
I wasn't an English major. Strictly speaking, my Master's was in creative writing with a poetry concentration. My wife's the actual English major.
It's not that words are irrelevant now, it's that that false conviction has never been stronger.
- Yeah, iPhones and short-form video helped kill it. (Guess who writes that shit, though?)
- The demand for practical skills, too, sure. (But multimedia skills are worthless when you've nothing to say.)
- Old white guy hate. That's a big one. (Too bad many of them were geniuses and reading their work offers unique insights into the fundamentals of the human condition. Wonder if that has any commercial value?)
In a way, I love the fact that no one studies English anymore. I get away with so much shit with the work that I do. What I mean is, I can act like myself. They don't know how I do what I do, so they let me be and get to it. (It's no mystery, I'm not special or anything. It's just that no one does this kind of thing anymore.) Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic. It's kind of hilarious.
Please love yourself.
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success.
SHHHHHH c'mon man, keep it a secret then why don't you?
I wasn't an English major. Strictly speaking, my Master's was in creative writing with a poetry concentration. My wife's the actual English major.
It's not that words are irrelevant now, it's that that false conviction has never been stronger.
- Yeah, iPhones and short-form video helped kill it. (Guess who writes that shit, though?)
- The demand for practical skills, too, sure. (But multimedia skills are worthless when you've nothing to say.)
- Old white guy hate. That's a big one. (Too bad many of them were geniuses and reading their work offers unique insights into the fundamentals of the human condition. Wonder if that has any commercial value?)
In a way, I love the fact that no one studies English anymore. I get away with so much shit with the work that I do. What I mean is, I can act like myself. They don't know how I do what I do, so they let me be and get to it. (It's no mystery, I'm not special or anything. It's just that no one does this kind of thing anymore.) Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic. It's kind of hilarious.
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
- The demand for practical skills, too, sure. (But multimedia skills are worthless when you've nothing to say.)
- Old white guy hate. That's a big one. (Too bad many of them were geniuses and reading their work offers unique insights into the fundamentals of the human condition. Wonder if that has any commercial value?)
These.
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Awesome!
@jon-nyc said in A Dying Breed:
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Awesome!
+1
@Mik , if you don't mind sharing, what's her thesis about?
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success.
SHHHHHH c'mon man, keep it a secret then why don't you?
I wasn't an English major. Strictly speaking, my Master's was in creative writing with a poetry concentration. My wife's the actual English major.
It's not that words are irrelevant now, it's that that false conviction has never been stronger.
- Yeah, iPhones and short-form video helped kill it. (Guess who writes that shit, though?)
- The demand for practical skills, too, sure. (But multimedia skills are worthless when you've nothing to say.)
- Old white guy hate. That's a big one. (Too bad many of them were geniuses and reading their work offers unique insights into the fundamentals of the human condition. Wonder if that has any commercial value?)
In a way, I love the fact that no one studies English anymore. I get away with so much shit with the work that I do. What I mean is, I can act like myself. They don't know how I do what I do, so they let me be and get to it. (It's no mystery, I'm not special or anything. It's just that no one does this kind of thing anymore.) Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic. It's kind of hilarious.
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic.
What do you mean by "wooey" and "shamanistic"?
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@jon-nyc said in A Dying Breed:
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Awesome!
+1
@Mik , if you don't mind sharing, what's her thesis about?
@Axtremus said in A Dying Breed:
@jon-nyc said in A Dying Breed:
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Awesome!
+1
@Mik , if you don't mind sharing, what's her thesis about?
Sustainability in the arts and entertainment industries.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Maybe they want us all doing l33t speak because it's less expressive.
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Congratulations to her and you, that's wonderful!
As a technical report reviewer, I am still consistently surprised by just how dreadful the written English of middle aged, middle class white guys can be.
I was only joking
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Congratulations to her and you, that's wonderful!
As a technical report reviewer, I am still consistently surprised by just how dreadful the written English of middle aged, middle class white guys can be.
@Doctor-Phibes I am too. It's rather astounding.
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@Doctor-Phibes I am too. It's rather astounding.
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Doctor-Phibes I am too. It's rather astounding.
Some of the stuff I see is written in what can only be described as 'frontier gibberish'.
Link to videoI was only joking
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Congratulations to her and you, that's wonderful!
As a technical report reviewer, I am still consistently surprised by just how dreadful the written English of middle aged, middle class white guys can be.
@Doctor-Phibes said in A Dying Breed:
@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Did they talk about the complete and total devaluation of English majors in the job market, which is wholly independent of the woke problem?
Which I do not understand. My ability to communicate in writing has been key to my career success. My daughter, an English and Theater Education major in her undergrad, defended her masters' thesis yesterday. They said it was the best written one they had ever seen in that program.
Congratulations to her and you, that's wonderful!
As a technical report reviewer, I am still consistently surprised by just how dreadful the written English of middle aged, middle class white guys can be.
I was asked just last week to make something "more general by being a little more specific."
And most of these requests do not come from guys.
I don't think it's a gender-specific issue.
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@Mik said in A Dying Breed:
@Doctor-Phibes I am too. It's rather astounding.
Some of the stuff I see is written in what can only be described as 'frontier gibberish'.
Link to videoAs my one of my English profs explained it:
“The biggest problem with undergrads is that many of them write their essays like they speak - directionless and irrational”.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic.
What do you mean by "wooey" and "shamanistic"?
@Axtremus said in A Dying Breed:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A Dying Breed:
Effective written communication has gone wooey and shamanistic.
What do you mean by "wooey" and "shamanistic"?
He wears a horned Viking armored cap and shouts Wooey! a lot, as he vanquishes his foes. And foettes.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
