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  • HoraceH Horace

    Is Wray a necessary ingredient in anybody's narrative that the Hunter Biden investigation was torpedoed due to politics?

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    @Horace said in Whistleblower:

    Is Wray a necessary ingredient in anybody's narrative that the Hunter Biden investigation was torpedoed due to politics?

    Sure - he at least has to agree to go along with it. He continues to publicly affirm his independence on the investigation.

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      Agent Zeigler...

      I have witnessed the corrosion of ethical standards and the abuse of power that threaten our nation. It is within this context that I have chosen to shed light on these actions and expose those responsible. I recognize that while I was present at the start of this investigation and was closely involved with the investigation for roughly five years – that I'm just a part of the story. Others – including my colleague and supervisor Gary Shapley who is here with me today – have their own views and understandings of what took place during this investigation.

      Mr. Weiss stated that he had been granted "ultimate authority" over this matter but then later stated in the same letter that his "charging authority" is geographically "limited" and that he would need to ask President Biden appointed U.S. Attorney's[sic] to "partner" with him in charging the case. We know that as recently in March of 2023, even the Department of Justice-Tax Division attorney assigned to the case questioned Mr. Weiss's authority and didn't know where Mr. Weiss was going to charge the case.

      My own agency retaliated against me and threatened me with criminal conduct in response to an internal email I sent to IRS leadership, even after years of essentially being left on an island when it came to this investigation. It is not my desire to become a martyr for this case — and I fear effectively ending my career. I did not ask to be in this position, nor did I want to be...

      At the end of the day, I worked on a complex criminal tax investigation over the last 5 years and the investigative process is 999% done and we were in the process of bringing the case to indictment. Since October of 2022, the Delaware AUSAs and DOJ-Tax had effectively stopped communicating with me and my team has ultimately been removed from the investigative team.

      I had recently heard an elected official say that I must be more credible, because I am a gay democrat married to a man. I'm no more credible than this man sitting next to me due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs. I was raised and have always strived to do what is right. I have heard from some, that I am a trator to the democratic party and that I am causing more division in our society. I implore you, that if you were put in my position with the facts as I have stated them, that you would be doing the exact same thing – regardless of your political party affiliation. I hope that I am an example to other LGBTQ people out there, who are questioning doing the right thing at a potential cost to themselves and others. We should ALWAYS do the right thing, no matter how painful the process might be. I contemplated scenarios that would have been highly regrettable. But I did what was right and I am sitting in front of you here today.

      "it is not difficult to believe that appointing a special counsel in this matter is the best way to go forward to give everyone confidence in the fairness of our tax system."

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Sooth.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JonJ Jon

          @Horace said in Whistleblower:

          Is Wray a necessary ingredient in anybody's narrative that the Hunter Biden investigation was torpedoed due to politics?

          Sure - he at least has to agree to go along with it. He continues to publicly affirm his independence on the investigation.

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          Horace
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          @Jon said in Whistleblower:

          @Horace said in Whistleblower:

          Is Wray a necessary ingredient in anybody's narrative that the Hunter Biden investigation was torpedoed due to politics?

          Sure - he at least has to agree to go along with it. He continues to publicly affirm his independence on the investigation.

          No room for the director to be unaware of everything that goes on under him?

          Education is extremely important.

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            Jolly
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            Watching a bit of Shapely's testimony. One thing I can unequivocally state...

            Shelia Jackson Lee is batshit crazy.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              It was kind of interesting watching the Democrats on the committee question the witnesses. The rep from Delaware spent his entire 5 minutes talking about hypocrisy, because the GOP was silent about (sit down) Trump and here they are complaining about Biden. He asked no questions. it was 5 minutes of grandstanding.

              Somehow he forgot to mention that Trump was impeached - twice.

              He also forgot to mention that, for the last 2 years of Trump's term, his party controlled congress. They could have investigated anything...

              Another representative claimed that it was all irrelevant because Biden was not president when these alleged irregularities occurred.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
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                When the whistleblowers heard Weiss claim that he didn't have authority to investigate, there were a couple of FBI agents in the room.

                Jim Jordan subpoenaed them for their testimony.

                FBI says "pound sand."

                https://www.scribd.com/document/667997076/DOJ-responds-to-Jim-Jordan#

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jolly
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                  Time to deny funding.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Weiss requested Special Counsel status and was denied.

                    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/13/irs-whistleblower-hunter-probe-took-notes-00115623

                    Shapley writes that David Weiss, the Donald Trump-appointed Delaware U.S. Attorney who is leading the Hunter Biden investigation, told law enforcement officials he was “not the deciding person” regarding the investigation...Weiss himself has pushed back on Shapley’s testimony, telling lawmakers that he was “never…denied the authority to bring charges in any jurisdiction.”

                    In the letter, the lawyers write that Shapley took the notes “during the meeting.” Portions of the handwritten notes are redacted and contain “information not previously released by the House Ways and Means Committee,” according to the letter.

                    “USA CA [U.S. Attorney, California Martin] Estrada in charge of authorizing those charges in that jurisdiction,” the notes say. “Weiss requested Special Counsel status in D.C. Main DOJ said ‘NO’ – follow the process”

                    Another FBI agent who attended the Oct. 7 meeting also testified to congressional investigators. That agent said she did not recall Weiss saying he was not the deciding person, and that a comment like that would have stuck out to her, according to her transcript, also obtained by POLITICO. She also said that she both entered and left the meeting under the impression that Weiss could bring charges wherever he liked. She was granted anonymity because she works on sensitive investigations, according to a person familiar with her testimony.

                    Shapley took notes at the time. The other agent "doesn't recall."

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Why Shapley was removed from the investigation:

                      "So before I left the special agent in charge position, in February, I recommended to [IRS Director of Field Operations Michael Batdorf] that Gary Shapley be removed as the [supervisory special agent] from the Hunter Biden investigation, primarily due to what I perceived to be unsubstantiated allegations about motive, intent, bias. And, again, my goal was to protect the integrity of the investigation and figure out a way forward," Waldon told GOP investigators.

                      Presidnet Biden and his son Hunter Biden. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
                      But Shapley was not reassigned until May, Waldon said. He also denied playing a role in Shapley's removal from the Hunter Biden probe.

                      Earlier in the interview, Waldon conceded the investigation was "sensitive" in nature but said "no" when asked if he thought the case was being politicized.

                      He also corroborated Shapley's complaint of being limited in the scope of his investigative duties.

                      "Yes. Or I should say at least of the things that they can ask in interviews, is my general awareness," Waldon answered when asked if Shapley said he and his team were "limited in who they could interview."

                      So, the investigating agent was seen to have a bias in the investigation, if I read this correctly.

                      And, he was limited in what he could investigate, and whom.

                      I wonder where he got that idea.

                      While the IRS had ultimate say in whether an agent was reassigned, Waldon said that generally, "DOJ would communicate what their preference is, and then we would deliberate on that conversation."

                      Besides, what is DOJ doing regarding an IRS investigation, especially concerning what agents would investigate?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Third IRS whistleblower.

                        A third IRS official confirmed that Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss faced roadblocks when attempting to bring charges against Hunter Biden, contradicting denials issued Wednesday by Attorney General Merrick Garland.

                        IRS Director of Field Operations Michael Batdorf told the House Ways and Means Committee in a closed-door interview on Sept. 12 that he felt “frustrated” by the refusal of the Justice Department to approve tax charges that IRS agents viewed as well-supported by evidence, according to a transcript of the interview obtained by the Washington Examiner.

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                        He also said the IRS removed agent Gary Shapley, a whistleblower, from the Hunter Biden case at the direction of Weiss despite having done nothing wrong.

                        Batdorf’s testimony was the latest piece of evidence to suggest Weiss did not enjoy the unfettered authority to pursue Hunter Biden that Garland and others claimed he had.

                        Still, Batdorf, who was above Shapley in the IRS chain of command, stopped short of attributing the DOJ’s actions to bias in favor of President Joe Biden.

                        In addition to the two Joe Biden-appointed U.S. attorneys who refused to allow Weiss to bring charges against Hunter Biden in their districts, Batdorf said the DOJ Tax Division opposed bringing charges.

                        Batdorf said DOJ Tax argued against charges for Hunter Biden during a June 2022 meeting with Weiss and IRS officials, who were in favor of advancing the case.

                        “DOJ Tax would have to authorize charges prior to David Weiss recommending an indictment or prosecution,” Batdorf said during his interview.

                        “So, I mean, my understanding is that, I mean, he can’t make that decision without DOJ Tax authorization,” Batdorf said.

                        The IRS supervisor confirmed that Hunter Biden’s defense team was given an unusual number of chances, possibly as many as four, to meet with DOJ Tax investigators and argue why its client should not face charges.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Jolly
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                          Anybody still defending this?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            George K
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                            Lying to Congress.

                            https://waysandmeans.house.gov/ways-and-means-committee-releases-evidence-showing-hunter-biden-lied-under-oath-during-recent-congressional-testimony/

                            CIA involvement with Sugar Daddy Morris?

                            https://nypost.com/2024/05/22/opinion/hunter-biden-is-being-hounded-by-truth-and-justice-and-he-only-has-his-repeated-lies-to-blame/

                            Shapley produced an affidavit and emails showing that Delaware Assistant US Attorney Lesley Wolf told him that “she and DOJ Tax Attorney Jack Morgan had recently returned from the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, where they had been summoned to discuss Kevin Morris . . . and as a result we could no longer pursue him as a witness . . . for the investigation.”

                            Despite having a high-level security clearance, Shapley was never given the classified briefing he requested to understand why Morris was off-limits, even while the lawyer was an integral part of the tax case, after lending Hunter more than $6 million to pay off his tax debts and fund his ritzy life­style.

                            The CIA’s shadowy hand can be seen elsewhere in the Hunter Biden story, including in the rapid approval of the “Dirty 51” letter signed by 51 former intelligence operatives (mainly from the CIA) before the 2020 election that falsely claimed that Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation.

                            Expect more information from the House Judiciary Committee later in the year as they interview CIA employees.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              So, if we are to believe the media, both Trump and Biden are running to stay out of jail.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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