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To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Not a big deal. USPS works on Sundays now. Give him Saturdays off and work him every Sunday.

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    @Jolly said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

    Not a big deal. USPS works on Sundays now. Give him Saturdays off and work him every Sunday.

    Actually, the guy who brought the lawsuit has been refusing to work Sundays (his religion considers Sunday Sabbath). It’s all in the article.

    The article also outline various arguments for and against the complain, with commentaries from different parties talking about whether certain accommodations are reasonable or not when applied to the facts of this case. Worth a read.

    @George-K , the USPS has been accommodating him for many years. For a time the guy even transferred to another USPS office that did not do Sunday deliveries. More recently, after signing a contract with Amazon.com to also deliver Amazon packages on Sundays, and the staffing shortage got worse during/after the pandemic, it got to the point where the USPS (perhaps just that branch or just that manager) refuse to accommodate his “no work on Sundays” position anymore.

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      Good. Then work him every Saturday.

      This ain't rocket surgery.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        This seems ridiculous, employers need to learn flexibility and a bit of respect for their people.

        Assuming, of course, that there isn't more to this dismissal than he's claiming.

        the staffing shortage got worse during/after the pandemic

        So, the solution is to force people to quit? That's just dumb.

        I was only joking

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          OT in the USPS... Mandatory OT can be enforced in the USPS by redlining an employee. That's a term that goes back to paper schedules, when a postmaster would take a red pen to mark through an employee's pass days and assign him an extra day. But redlining is only done after a postmaster exhausts the voluntary OT list.

          Secondly, there's another way to get the king's shekels worth out of the employee. The postmaster can make them work turn-arounds. You get through with your route and then you go finish another person's route.

          If you want to slack-jack and deliberately slow down on your route, the postmaster can request a ride-along. The carrier will get to deliver his mail accompanied by an Assistant Postmaster wielding a timer. Too slow, and you get a letter. I think it's three letters and you no longer work for the USPS.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            This seems ridiculous, employers need to learn flexibility and a bit of respect for their people.

            Assuming, of course, that there isn't more to this dismissal than he's claiming.

            the staffing shortage got worse during/after the pandemic

            So, the solution is to force people to quit? That's just dumb.

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            @Doctor-Phibes said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

            This seems ridiculous, employers need to learn flexibility and a bit of respect for their people.

            Assuming, of course, that there isn't more to this dismissal than he's claiming.

            the staffing shortage got worse during/after the pandemic

            So, the solution is to force people to quit? That's just dumb.

            This is the USPS, a governmental agency. Substitute the word "Army" for "post office" and you'll get it.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              OT in the USPS... Mandatory OT can be enforced in the USPS by redlining an employee. That's a term that goes back to paper schedules, when a postmaster would take a red pen to mark through an employee's pass days and assign him an extra day. But redlining is only done after a postmaster exhausts the voluntary OT list.

              Secondly, there's another way to get the king's shekels worth out of the employee. The postmaster can make them work turn-arounds. You get through with your route and then you go finish another person's route.

              If you want to slack-jack and deliberately slow down on your route, the postmaster can request a ride-along. The carrier will get to deliver his mail accompanied by an Assistant Postmaster wielding a timer. Too slow, and you get a letter. I think it's three letters and you no longer work for the USPS.

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              @Jolly said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

              If you want to slack-jack and deliberately slow down on your route, the postmaster can request a ride-along. The carrier will get to deliver his mail accompanied by an Assistant Postmaster wielding a timer. Too slow, and you get a letter. I think it's three letters and you no longer work for the USPS.

              A friend spent some time working for USPS while in college. He was TOO good, and finished his route too quickly. He was admonished by his co-workers to not be so good at it.

              1. I would make them look bad.
              2. If he got REALLY good, they'd give him another route for the day.

              Pace yourself, man.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                @Jolly said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

                If you want to slack-jack and deliberately slow down on your route, the postmaster can request a ride-along. The carrier will get to deliver his mail accompanied by an Assistant Postmaster wielding a timer. Too slow, and you get a letter. I think it's three letters and you no longer work for the USPS.

                A friend spent some time working for USPS while in college. He was TOO good, and finished his route too quickly. He was admonished by his co-workers to not be so good at it.

                1. I would make them look bad.
                2. If he got REALLY good, they'd give him another route for the day.

                Pace yourself, man.

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                @George-K said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

                @Jolly said in To Sabbath Or Not To Sabbath:

                If you want to slack-jack and deliberately slow down on your route, the postmaster can request a ride-along. The carrier will get to deliver his mail accompanied by an Assistant Postmaster wielding a timer. Too slow, and you get a letter. I think it's three letters and you no longer work for the USPS.

                A friend spent some time working for USPS while in college. He was TOO good, and finished his route too quickly. He was admonished by his co-workers to not be so good at it.

                1. I would make them look bad.
                2. If he got REALLY good, they'd give him another route for the day.

                Pace yourself, man.

                So true.

                But...mail carriers that show initiative are approached to take administrative jobs. Problem is, those jobs don't enjoy union protection. OTOH, those jobs advance to postmasters and those guys make good money, even in a small post office.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  My SIL is a postman. There are days I could cheerfully kill him and leave the body out for the crows.

                  He's been approached more than one time for administrative jobs and turned them down. He's a rebel without a clue...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Unanimous SCOTUS decision:

                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/29/supreme-court-decision-christian-religion-postal-sunday/70200261007/

                    Supreme Court backs Christian postal worker who wanted Sundays off in ruling that may affect employers

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                      Good.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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