Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science
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I think a lot of business owners would love for the government to be the one doing the mask mandating. I have sympathy for small business owners who don't want to be put into the position of choosing either to explicitly allow non-mask wearing clients, or to explicitly deny them, and then to have to attempt to enforce that.
wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 21:26 last edited by Catseye3 7 Sept 2020, 21:29@Horace I hear you. Maybe it's a matter of firm decision making; are you a man or a mouse. If you present to the world as a business owner who insists his customers go masked (signs, etc) I suspect the world will respect that -- especially if you had strong custom before this. People might grumble, but if they want your product, they will comply. If not, then you need to tighten your belt and continue being able to look in the mirror.
Or you can be laissez-faire and hope you and yours come out all right.
But either way, it'll be easier if you take your stand and stick to your guns and don't waffle and change your mind 12 times a day.
Tough times.
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wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 22:58 last edited by
North Carolina Sheriffs: It’s not our job to enforce the governor’s ‘mask orders’ – they are ‘not constitutional’
CHARLOTTE, NC – Do it yourself.
That’s essentially the message that a group of sheriffs in North Carolina are sending to the governor over what they believe are unconstitutional mask orders.
Across the country, a number of governors have issued Executive Orders mandating the use of masks while in the public.
The majority of these orders specify that persons who cannot be a minimum of six feet apart and indoors must wear a mask or face a fine or imprisonment. No one disputes that the numbers of positive cases have grown recently, but there is dispute as to what those numbers really mean.
Some believe that the states and/or federal government is skewing the numbers.
One one side, some believe the numbers are worse than what we know of and we are not told the true amount for fear of sparking nationwide panic.
On the other side, some argue the actual number of infected persons is significantly lower than what is provided and that they are using antibody tests as positive cases. Those suggest that the numbers are inflated in order to keep the economy slowed or shut down in order for democrats to remain in power.
There is an old cop saying that pertains to these theories – in every story there are three sides, his side, her side, and the truth. This means that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the two arguments, but we may never know.
Regardless of the debate, the Governor of North Carolina feels that face masks need to be worn by people in certain circumstances.
The question that the executive order has raised is simple – is it enforceable by law enforcement? Several elected Sheriffs in North Carolina do not believe that it is and have gone on record advising that they will not enforce the order.
The sheriffs have stated that they believe that wearing of a mask is a personal choice rather than something that can be ordered.
It is their belief that enforcing someone to wear a mask is unconstitutional, and therefore, not enforceable by law enforcement.
Sheriff Jimmy Thornton from Sampson County stated in a Facebook post:
“As Sheriff, it is my sworn duty to enforce laws enacted by our legislature, as well as protect the constitutional rights of all citizens.
It is my belief that Governor Cooper’s executive order mandating face coverings by all citizens in public is not only unconstitutional, but unenforceable. My deputies will NOT enforce an executive order that I feel violates the constitutional liberties of citizens.
The number of cases in Sampson County are reflecting higher than other counties in our State. I do encourage and trust that all citizens will take it upon themselves to carry out the necessary precautions to ensure the safety and protection of themselves and those that surround them.
I am not encouraging negligence, but I would like to reiterate that it is not the Sheriff’s duty to enforce health related mandates unless court ordered by a Judicial Official or the Legislature.”
There were at least ten Sheriffs who agreed with this sentiment and issued similar statements.
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wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 23:45 last edited by
As I recall from years ago, when I got a traffic ticket, it referred to violation of a specific law or city ordinance. And, as I recall, there was a number associated with the violation, like "violation of #138 speeding" -- something like that.
So, when the governor or mayor states it is "mandatory" to wear a mask, then exactly what law or city ordinance is being violated? I suppose there might be an emergency clause in a policy, but the on-again-off-again is confusing. And, the sheriff's office refusing to enforce makes sense.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 11:22 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Oct 2020, 11:24
@Larry said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Now you're in conspiracy theory territory.
And once again, for the people who didn't read it the first 5000 times, the mask reduces your chance of spreading it, it doesn't stop you getting it.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 15:00 last edited by
That wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 15:04 last edited by
Sadly, and unbelievably, quite a lot of people seem to do so.
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Sadly, and unbelievably, quite a lot of people seem to do so.
wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 16:46 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Sadly, and unbelievably, quite a lot of people seem to do so.
Do you think more crazy people belong to one political ideology?
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 16:49 last edited by
The left has been planting crazy ideas into normal people's heads since before it was cool to plant crazy ideas into normal people's heads.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 17:05 last edited by
I think it's a real shame people feel the need to politicize bullshit in this way. Bullshit should transcend politics.
Having said that, most of the cretins saying that masks infringe their liberty aren't lefties. The lefties are the ones who wear masks to a riot.
They're all self-absorbed fucking douchebags in my far from humble opinion.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 17:08 last edited by
I happen to think it's for the best if the government mandates mask wearing and uses its violence monopoly to enforce that, but that sort of thing is easily and blatantly a grey area for those who care to give it some thought.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 17:23 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Oct 2020, 17:25
Anybody who complains that wearing a mask stops them from being able to breathe gets their neck knelt on by a copper for thirty seconds so that they know what it really feels like?
They'd also get a better appreciation of actual tyranny, as opposed to a rule they don't like.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 17:35 last edited by
But as you previously explained, a mask doesn't protect me from you, it only protects you from me. Which means that if I've tested negative and am there for no risk to you, I have allowed you to bully me into conforming to your fears at the expense of my own Constitutional rights.
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But as you previously explained, a mask doesn't protect me from you, it only protects you from me. Which means that if I've tested negative and am there for no risk to you, I have allowed you to bully me into conforming to your fears at the expense of my own Constitutional rights.
wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 18:05 last edited by@Larry said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
But as you previously explained, a mask doesn't protect me from you, it only protects you from me. Which means that if I've tested negative and am there for no risk to you..
Today.
What about tomorrow, or do you plan to get tested daily?
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 18:35 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Oct 2020, 18:35
It's a minor inconvenience, and thousands of people are dying.
The real question is 'how much of a dick do you want to be?'
And I'm not even saying people need to wear a mask at all times. Just follow the guidelines.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 18:50 last edited by
I think people should start wearing ass masks...
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wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 19:00 last edited by
@Larry said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
I think people should start wearing ass masks...
Most people already do, often multiple layers of such. Varieties include panties, underwear, boxers, shorts, pants, pantaloons, skirts, gowns, etc.
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It's a minor inconvenience, and thousands of people are dying.
The real question is 'how much of a dick do you want to be?'
And I'm not even saying people need to wear a mask at all times. Just follow the guidelines.
wrote on 11 Jul 2020, 01:30 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
It's a minor inconvenience, and thousands of people are dying.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that is a great reason.
That reason is never ever going away. Never.
Thousands will always be dying from communicable disease.
So, if that is a great reason for everyone to always wear a mask, we will never again do anything in public without a mask.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
It's a minor inconvenience, and thousands of people are dying.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that is a great reason.
That reason is never ever going away. Never.
Thousands will always be dying from communicable disease.
So, if that is a great reason for everyone to always wear a mask, we will never again do anything in public without a mask.
wrote on 11 Jul 2020, 02:09 last edited by@Copper said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
It's a minor inconvenience, and thousands of people are dying.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that is a great reason.
That reason is never ever going away. Never.
Thousands will always be dying from communicable disease.
So, if that is a great reason for everyone to always wear a mask, we will never again do anything in public without a mask.
You and Ax should form a team.
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wrote on 11 Jul 2020, 23:50 last edited by
Aside from the non-stop insults
When does it end?
What is the goal?
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 01:42 last edited by
We all have different goals. Mine is to avoid contracting Covid-19 from some stupid fuck who refuses to wear a mask because it would somehow affect his liberty.