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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    The Royal Ballet Academy did an experiment. It took a risk.

    The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do. Keep doing things exactly the same way time after time and your art will eventually become stale.

    Institutions take risks and experiment from time to time placing bets on candidates that do not fit their usual criteria for admission.

    Some experiments work out, some don't. And that's OK. Maybe they learn something from some of their experiments and make some other experiments later on. It's better than not doing any new experiment at all -- the art is guaranteed to become stale without experimentation.

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    Catseye3
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    #11

    @Axtremus said in At the Ballet:

    The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do

    Can't agree. Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • George KG George K

      @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

      Oli London

      I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.

      ETA: I just looked him up.

      Well.

      That's .... unusual.

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      @George-K said in At the Ballet:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

      Oli London

      I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.

      ETA: I just looked him up.

      Well.

      That's .... unusual.

      Yeah, it's fair to say that he's more than a little eccentric. Now he's poacher turned game-keeper. He might be better off tidying his room as JP would say, but I guess he feels he's got to make a living somehow.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @George-K said in At the Ballet:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

        Oli London

        I know nothing of him. Just came across this tweet.

        ETA: I just looked him up.

        Well.

        That's .... unusual.

        Yeah, it's fair to say that he's more than a little eccentric. Now he's poacher turned game-keeper. He might be better off tidying his room as JP would say, but I guess he feels he's got to make a living somehow.

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        Renauda
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        #13

        @Doctor-Phibes

        …more than a little eccentric…..

        I think it’s fair to say he’s barking mad crackers.

        Elbows up!

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          Jolly
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          #14

          Remember, this person was too tall to be a ballerina...

          Link to video

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            George K
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            I wanna see someone lift "Sophia" during Swan Lake

            image.jpeg

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              I wanna see someone lift "Sophia" during Swan Lake

              image.jpeg

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              Renauda
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              #16

              @George-K

              That brings to mind:

              Link to video

              Elbows up!

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                #17

                It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.

                You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                  I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.

                  You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.

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                  George K
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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

                  They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                  The hell you say...

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                    I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.

                    You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.

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                    Jolly
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

                    It's clearly not going to be possible for this person to dance professionally in a regular sense. They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                    I went out with a girl who was shortlisted for the Royal Academy of Music, which is the musical equivalent of this place, and that was unbelievably hard to get into - she was very gifted, and still didn't make it. She missed out by a single place, I think.

                    You've got to wonder where we're going to end up when all this is done.

                    Much less than mediocrity.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

                      They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                      The hell you say...

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                      @George-K said in At the Ballet:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in At the Ballet:

                      They weren't ever accepted at the Royal Academy for that reason.

                      The hell you say...

                      It's really unprofessional and unfair on her for them to take her on. It's great living your dream and all that, but it presumably isn't cheap living in the center of London, and paying whatever she's paying. This isn't a reality TV show, after all.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        @Axtremus said in At the Ballet:

                        The more creative you expect to be over time, the more risks you need to take on and the more experiments you need to do

                        Can't agree. Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.

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                        Axtremus
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                        #21

                        @Catseye3 said in At the Ballet:

                        Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.

                        A ballet academy need not be restricted to only refining classical ballet. Creativity is often essential to succeed at an artistic endeavor. It's quite alright, and it may even be essential for the artists, to occasionally branch out to see what else you can do with your art.

                        A couple of examples:

                        Link to video

                        Link to video

                        If you start from ballet then come out the other side as something else that can no longer be called ballet, that's OK too.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #22

                          Has anybody considered the dancer that didn’t make the cut in favor of this guy?

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            Has anybody considered the dancer that didn’t make the cut in favor of this guy?

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                            Axtremus
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in At the Ballet:

                            Has anybody considered the dancer that didn’t make the cut in favor of this guy?

                            I have.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Catseye3 said in At the Ballet:

                              Classical ballet has fixed rules governing the desired look, and if you want experimentation there are plenty of schools of dance already out there.

                              A ballet academy need not be restricted to only refining classical ballet. Creativity is often essential to succeed at an artistic endeavor. It's quite alright, and it may even be essential for the artists, to occasionally branch out to see what else you can do with your art.

                              A couple of examples:

                              Link to video

                              Link to video

                              If you start from ballet then come out the other side as something else that can no longer be called ballet, that's OK too.

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                              George K
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                              #24

                              @Axtremus said in At the Ballet:

                              Creativity is often essential to succeed at an artistic endeavor. It's quite alright, and it may even be essential for the artists, to occasionally branch out to see what else you can do with your art.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Axtremus said in At the Ballet:

                                Creativity is often essential to succeed at an artistic endeavor. It's quite alright, and it may even be essential for the artists, to occasionally branch out to see what else you can do with your art.

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                                Axtremus
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                                @George-K said in At the Ballet:

                                Like classical music deterring loiterers.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @George-K said in At the Ballet:

                                  Like classical music deterring loiterers.

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                                  George K
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                                  #26

                                  @Axtremus said in At the Ballet:

                                  Like classical music deterring loiterers.

                                  LOL.

                                  It's worked, hasn't it?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #27

                                    JHHT

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Has anybody considered the dancer that didn’t make the cut in favor of this guy?

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in At the Ballet:

                                      Has anybody considered the dancer that didn’t make the cut in favor of this guy?

                                      Somewhere deep down I have faith that a position was opened for this person, which did not take away from the normal positions.

                                      I mean the admissions people are apes like everybody else, and they've devoted their lives to the pursuit of this art. The admissions category for this specimen would be beyond obvious for them, regardless of cultural programming.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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