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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @Jolly

    There are dozens of states where school staff could be armed. Shootings happen in those states too. Neither you, I, or the shooters have any way of knowing which one might house some armed staff

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    @jon-nyc said in The Copycats:

    @Jolly

    There are dozens of states where school staff could be armed. Shootings happen in those states too. Neither you, I, or the shooters have any way of knowing which one might house some armed staff

    As Aqua pointed out, many times the shooter went to the school at one time. I'm not saying all shootings can be prevented by a good guy with a gun. Even the Secret Service will tell you that a dedicated individual willing to lose their life in order to take someone else's, will succeed more often than not.

    But good security calls for hardening the target. Armed and immediate response is a layer in the hardening process.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      #17

      What you said was 0 shootings have happened in schools where teachers were armed. You pulled that out of thin air.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        OK, prove me wrong.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
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          #19

          I already did.

          Neither you nor I nor any potential shooters can know if teachers might be armed in dozens of states. Those states have had school shootings.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            If a shooting occurred, you'd know. it would be plastered all over the news media.

            Therefore, no shootings.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              If a shooting occurred, you'd know. it would be plastered all over the news media.

              Therefore, no shootings.

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              #21

              We can be certain no armed teacher or administrator has intervened and popped a cap in some school shooters head. We cannot know if a teacher was armed in any of the schools.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                And again, point out to me where a school shooting has taken place in a school where the teachers are armed.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  #23

                  Nice try Dude. You don’t get to set the null hypothesis. You made a claim that you pulled either straight out of your ass or, same fucking thing, from maga media.

                  You simple cannot know, nor can I, and most importantly, neither can the shooter.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    Quit playing dumb bastard.

                    You know that if teachers
                    are carrying within a school, it's something that has to be publicly approved by the local school board and powers that be.

                    You just don't like it, that you can't come up with an example to prove me wrong.

                    Chaps your ass, doesn't it? 😅😅

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      #25

                      Depends on the state, check my link. Some states concealed carry simply applies schools same as any other public place.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Usually, there is a lot of difference between simple concealed carry and teachers carrying weapons at school. In my state, concealed carry for individuals is banned on school grounds, with the exception of teachers, if the local school board allows it.

                        That's pretty common among the states that allow teachers to carry. The school board sets the parameters for who shall be armed and what level of training they shall receive.

                        Typically, firearms education and proficiency is about on par with the local sheriff's department, with the designated teachers cycling through the sheriff's office for training.

                        So it's no KGB/CIA deep secret that some teachers or administrative staff at Little Jon's school are armed.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Just an observation:

                          Number of schools with armed teachers that have been attacked = 0.

                          You like statistics. What does that tell you?

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                          @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                          Just an observation:

                          Number of schools with armed teachers that have been attacked = 0.

                          You like statistics. What does that tell you?

                          Supposedly, there were at least two armed staff members at the Nashville school.

                          I think you need to change your number to = 1

                          "A person calling 911 from under a desk inside The Covenant School during Monday's shooting told police dispatch that the school had staff that carried firearms."

                          https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/30/nashville-shooting-latest-news-audrey-hale-covenant-school-updates/70053945007/

                          Sorry, but arming teachers is not the answer.

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                            Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                            Do better.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                              Do better.

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                              #29

                              @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                              Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                              Ha. Now you’re making my argument! You can’t know, I can’t know, and the shooter can’t know.

                              Do better.

                              Obvious cope is obvious.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Nope, ain't backing down. Not yet.

                                I stand by my statement.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                  Do better.

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                                  @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                  Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                  Do better.

                                  I am pretty sure she just didn't make it up. So, she must have knowledge that at some days, staff carried weapons. I am sure she did not personally check each staff member every day, but it would be weird for her to say that to 911 if she didn't have knowledge of it.

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                                    Not knowing whether teachers are armed isn't the same as saying teachers weren't armed, or for that matter that teachers were armed.

                                    If we don't know something, it should be possible to say that, and not just assume that something we want to be true is true without any evidence. This isn't religion.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                      Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                      Do better.

                                      I am pretty sure she just didn't make it up. So, she must have knowledge that at some days, staff carried weapons. I am sure she did not personally check each staff member every day, but it would be weird for her to say that to 911 if she didn't have knowledge of it.

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                                      @taiwan_girl said in The Copycats:

                                      @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                      Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                      Do better.

                                      I am pretty sure she just didn't make it up. So, she must have knowledge that at some days, staff carried weapons. I am sure she did not personally check each staff member every day, but it would be weird for her to say that to 911 if she didn't have knowledge of it.

                                      You're still guessing.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @taiwan_girl said in The Copycats:

                                        @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                        Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                        Do better.

                                        I am pretty sure she just didn't make it up. So, she must have knowledge that at some days, staff carried weapons. I am sure she did not personally check each staff member every day, but it would be weird for her to say that to 911 if she didn't have knowledge of it.

                                        You're still guessing.

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                                        @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in The Copycats:

                                        @Jolly said in The Copycats:

                                        Read your own linked article. The 911 caller did not know for sure whether any of the staff were armed or even if the staff that she thought might normally carried firearms were on the school grounds.

                                        Do better.

                                        I am pretty sure she just didn't make it up. So, she must have knowledge that at some days, staff carried weapons. I am sure she did not personally check each staff member every day, but it would be weird for her to say that to 911 if she didn't have knowledge of it.

                                        You're still guessing.

                                        LOL. I am basing it on the transcript of the 911 call.

                                        However, Did I personally see the staff members. No, I did not.

                                        Still love you Jolly. You always make me think! 😘

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