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Elba as Bond?

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  • MikM Offline
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    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        If the original movies had been even marginally true to the Ian Fleming books, I would agree with you. By now the character has wandered so far and wide as to be unrecognizable anyway.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          If the original movies had been even marginally true to the Ian Fleming books, I would agree with you. By now the character has wandered so far and wide as to be unrecognizable anyway.

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          @Mik

          Well, yeah, good point.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            But I do think a female Bond would tank, miserably. A bridge too far.

            Idris Elba would be great.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              But I do think a female Bond would tank, miserably. A bridge too far.

              Idris Elba would be great.

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              @Mik said in Elba as Bond?:

              Idris Elba would be great.

              Hellz yeah! (Drool.)

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

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                @Catseye3 said in Elba as Bond?:

                I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

                Screenshot 2023-03-25 at 9.23.46 AM.png

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Catseye3 said in Elba as Bond?:

                  I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

                  Screenshot 2023-03-25 at 9.23.46 AM.png

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                  @George-K

                  Why, you can't tell them apart! It's uncanny!

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                    The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                      The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

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                      @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                      Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                      Really? I thought his portrayal in Casino Royale was pretty spot on. Also, the movie was faithful to the book.

                      Far from the Bond Character? David Niven, with Roger Moore second.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                        Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                        Really? I thought his portrayal in Casino Royale was pretty spot on. Also, the movie was faithful to the book.

                        Far from the Bond Character? David Niven, with Roger Moore second.

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                        @George-K

                        It’s a class thing.

                        Can you picture him tasting a glass of red and saying “ah, a ‘67 Lafite…”

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          Faithful to the original books or not, if the movies weren’t entertaining, we would not be talking about “Bond films” now.

                          What contemporary parents would read The Little Mermaid to their children if Disney has not given them an alternate version with a singing crab and a happy ending?

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                            Yes, Daniel Craig was not a traditional movie Bond. The movies were OK, but not at all in the Bond tradition, too heavy, too dark.

                            Woke drove it. The tough Female M, the sinister Bond, bad white male.

                            Woke will drive the black female Bond. Bond will be good again, no more evil male Bond.

                            Woke is not for everyone.

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                              Yes, Daniel Craig was not a traditional movie Bond. The movies were OK, but not at all in the Bond tradition, too heavy, too dark.

                              Woke drove it. The tough Female M, the sinister Bond, bad white male.

                              Woke will drive the black female Bond. Bond will be good again, no more evil male Bond.

                              Woke is not for everyone.

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                              @Copper said in Elba as Bond?:

                              The movies were OK, but not at all in the Bond tradition, too heavy, too dark.

                              https://screenrant.com/every-james-bond-comparison-original-fleming-changes/

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                                Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                Really? I thought his portrayal in Casino Royale was pretty spot on. Also, the movie was faithful to the book.

                                Far from the Bond Character? David Niven, with Roger Moore second.

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                                @George-K said in Elba as Bond?:

                                @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                                Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                Really? I thought his portrayal in Casino Royale was pretty spot on. Also, the movie was faithful to the book.

                                Far from the Bond Character? David Niven, with Roger Moore second.

                                One of the best Bond films. Fleming's Bond could be cold and ruthless. I think Craig portrays that aspect pretty well in the film.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Link to video

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    @Catseye3 said in Elba as Bond?:

                                    I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

                                    Screenshot 2023-03-25 at 9.23.46 AM.png

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                                    @George-K said in Elba as Bond?:

                                    @Catseye3 said in Elba as Bond?:

                                    I'm against changing the race or gender of characters taken from books to film. Filmmakers should remain faithful to the author's depiction. It's his/her creation, after all. To fiddle with the race/gender is to show contempt for the creator.

                                    Screenshot 2023-03-25 at 9.23.46 AM.png

                                    Isn’t that cultural appropriation? Shall we have Mel Gibson play an African guide?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                      The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                                      Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                      The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

                                      I would argue that Roger Moore was about as far from Bond as you could get

                                      The Brad

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                                        Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                        The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

                                        I would argue that Roger Moore was about as far from Bond as you could get

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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Elba as Bond?:

                                        I would argue that Roger Moore was about as far from Bond as you could get

                                        Other than David Niven, as I mentioned.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Elba as Bond?:

                                          Honestly the Daniel Craig character was about as far from Bond as you could get.

                                          The movies were entertaining, but they weren’t really Bond films.

                                          I would argue that Roger Moore was about as far from Bond as you could get

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Elba as Bond?:

                                          I would argue that Roger Moore was about as far from Bond as you could get

                                          Book Bond maybe

                                          he was right about average for the Movie Bond

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