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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

    I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

    Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

    And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

    Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

    taiwan_girlT Online
    taiwan_girlT Online
    taiwan_girl
    wrote on last edited by
    #13

    @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

    @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

    I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

    Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

    And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

    Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

    I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

    Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, dont I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

    George KG LuFins DadL 2 Replies Last reply
    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

      @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

      I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

      Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

      And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

      Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

      I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

      Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, dont I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #14

      @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

      I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

      If you do, rest assured that someone will sue you.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

        @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

        I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

        Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

        And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

        Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

        I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

        Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, dont I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

        LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #15

        @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

        @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

        @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

        I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

        Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

        And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

        Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

        I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

        Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, don't I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

        Are you doing it for profit?

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

          @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

          I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

          Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

          And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

          Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

          I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

          Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, don't I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

          Are you doing it for profit?

          taiwan_girlT Online
          taiwan_girlT Online
          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #16

          @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

          @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

          @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

          I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

          Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

          And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

          Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

          I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

          Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, don't I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

          Are you doing it for profit?

          Yes.

          (Kind of like the dog company is doing).

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

            @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

            @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

            I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

            Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

            And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

            Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

            I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

            Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, don't I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

            Are you doing it for profit?

            Yes.

            (Kind of like the dog company is doing).

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            LuFins Dad
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            #17

            @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

            @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

            @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

            I dont know the law or anything, but it is obvious to me that the dog company is trying to use the "fame" of Jack Daniels to sell their product. If they weren't, they would just have it in an ordinary container.

            Now, dont know if this is against the law or not.

            And Weird Al used Queen and other artists fame to sell his product… That’s kind of how parody works…

            Is Heinz coming after this company? Coca Cola? I have one of their Dog Perignon squeeze toys right now. The famous champagne maker has not sued them to my knowledge.

            I do understand that. I dont know enough about the law.

            Dont know if this is the same, but if I record a song by Queen, but using my voice, don't I have to pay them some sort of royalty?

            Are you doing it for profit?

            Yes.

            (Kind of like the dog company is doing).

            Not like the dog toy company is doing. The dog toy company is making a dog toy. Jack Daniels is making whiskey. Two completely different things. If they were making a whiskey and using a bottle that looked like Jack Daniels then we would have a different discussion. They aren’t. If Jack Daniels made a dog toy that looked like a bottle of whiskey, that would be a different story. They didn’t. If The Dog Toy company used the exact Jack Daniels logo and name, that would be a third story… But they didn’t.

            The Brad

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              What they need to ask themselves is whether this lawsuit is going to make people want to go out and buy Jack Daniels, and whether the dog toy is somehow going to make people stop buying it.

              Because petty and vindictive isn't a great corporate look, particularly for a company that tries to pretend it's down there getting dirty with the real folk.

              I was only joking

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              • taiwan_girlT Online
                taiwan_girlT Online
                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                @LuFins-Dad I guess we will agree to disagree. :couple_with_heart:

                I am not saying that the whiskey company is doing the smartest thing, or it is the best publicity for them.

                You have a well know piano store. Lets say someone opens a store called "LaFins" instead of "LuFins", but they sell fish.

                They use a logo and font that is very similar to yours. Their sign in front is similar also along with the company saying.

                Of course, they are selling a different product but using peoples familiarity with your store to sell their product.

                I would not like that the second store was doing that and would ask them to stop.

                LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @LuFins-Dad I guess we will agree to disagree. :couple_with_heart:

                  I am not saying that the whiskey company is doing the smartest thing, or it is the best publicity for them.

                  You have a well know piano store. Lets say someone opens a store called "LaFins" instead of "LuFins", but they sell fish.

                  They use a logo and font that is very similar to yours. Their sign in front is similar also along with the company saying.

                  Of course, they are selling a different product but using peoples familiarity with your store to sell their product.

                  I would not like that the second store was doing that and would ask them to stop.

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

                  @LuFins-Dad I guess we will agree to disagree. :couple_with_heart:

                  I am not saying that the whiskey company is doing the smartest thing, or it is the best publicity for them.

                  You have a well know piano store. Lets say someone opens a store called "LaFins" instead of "LuFins", but they sell fish.

                  They use a logo and font that is very similar to yours. Their sign in front is similar also along with the company saying.

                  Of course, they are selling a different product but using peoples familiarity with your store to sell their product.

                  I would not like that the second store was doing that and would ask them to stop.

                  Well , you were asking about legally speaking… Legally speaking, the verbiage, spelling, and logos on a trademark is pretty precise. And then profiting off the similarity wouldn’t have any legal consequences. It would only be if that company would be damaging my company or reputation in some way. If they are, then there is a case.

                  Not liking them using a similar logo or such is one thing… And asking them to stop is perfectly reasonable and understandable. Taking it to court is a completely different thing, especially when it’s a parody. The argument can easily and justifiably be made that the dog toy is promoting the Jack Daniels brand.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

                    @LuFins-Dad I guess we will agree to disagree. :couple_with_heart:

                    I am not saying that the whiskey company is doing the smartest thing, or it is the best publicity for them.

                    You have a well know piano store. Lets say someone opens a store called "LaFins" instead of "LuFins", but they sell fish.

                    They use a logo and font that is very similar to yours. Their sign in front is similar also along with the company saying.

                    Of course, they are selling a different product but using peoples familiarity with your store to sell their product.

                    I would not like that the second store was doing that and would ask them to stop.

                    Well , you were asking about legally speaking… Legally speaking, the verbiage, spelling, and logos on a trademark is pretty precise. And then profiting off the similarity wouldn’t have any legal consequences. It would only be if that company would be damaging my company or reputation in some way. If they are, then there is a case.

                    Not liking them using a similar logo or such is one thing… And asking them to stop is perfectly reasonable and understandable. Taking it to court is a completely different thing, especially when it’s a parody. The argument can easily and justifiably be made that the dog toy is promoting the Jack Daniels brand.

                    taiwan_girlT Online
                    taiwan_girlT Online
                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #21

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bad Spaniels:

                    @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

                    @LuFins-Dad I guess we will agree to disagree. :couple_with_heart:

                    I am not saying that the whiskey company is doing the smartest thing, or it is the best publicity for them.

                    You have a well know piano store. Lets say someone opens a store called "LaFins" instead of "LuFins", but they sell fish.

                    They use a logo and font that is very similar to yours. Their sign in front is similar also along with the company saying.

                    Of course, they are selling a different product but using peoples familiarity with your store to sell their product.

                    I would not like that the second store was doing that and would ask them to stop.

                    Well , you were asking about legally speaking… Legally speaking, the verbiage, spelling, and logos on a trademark is pretty precise. And then profiting off the similarity wouldn’t have any legal consequences. It would only be if that company would be damaging my company or reputation in some way. If they are, then there is a case.

                    Not liking them using a similar logo or such is one thing… And asking them to stop is perfectly reasonable and understandable. Taking it to court is a completely different thing, especially when it’s a parody. The argument can easily and justifiably be made that the dog toy is promoting the Jack Daniels brand.

                    Good points. I guess it may be "morally" no good, but "legally" okay.

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                      taiwan_girlT Online
                      taiwan_girl
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                      #22

                      Jack Daniels wins court case, which I agree with. 9-0 verdict. Maybe I should be on the Supreme court!!! LOL

                      https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-rules-jack-daniels-fight-over-parody-dog-toy-2023-06-08/

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        Jack Daniels wins court case, which I agree with. 9-0 verdict. Maybe I should be on the Supreme court!!! LOL

                        https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-rules-jack-daniels-fight-over-parody-dog-toy-2023-06-08/

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        @taiwan_girl said in Bad Spaniels:

                        Jack Daniels wins court case, which I agree with. 9-0 verdict. Maybe I should be on the Supreme court!!! LOL

                        https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-rules-jack-daniels-fight-over-parody-dog-toy-2023-06-08/

                        This is like the HOA upholding the request for the guy to take down his kids' treehouse. The treehouse comes down, but the person who complained still comes out of it looking like a miserable SOB.

                        I was only joking

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