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  • M Mik
    5 Jul 2020, 13:12

    That's rather my point, Cats. You posted an opinion piece that starts from a bias and asking others to consider it. Posting evidence to the contrary does not seem to prompt you to consider your own position.

    It is SO TNCR. šŸ˜†

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    Catseye3
    wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 13:21 last edited by
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    @Mik said in A Shaky Future?:

    You posted an opinion piece that starts from a bias and asking others to consider it. Posting evidence to the contrary does not seem to prompt you to consider your own position.

    I said more than once that I'm not qualified to own my own expertise in this. The CNN piece -- of course it's an opinion piece! It's CNN! How can it be anything else??? -- might, yes, be an opinion piece, but it has factuality embedded within it, IMO.

    You say I post from "bias" but am met with "evidence". Yeah, that's TNCR all right.

    The only thing I wanted to get across is that there are changes going on in the world that hold the promise of not boding well for the US, and that informed Americans need to be aware of this. I feel it's important enough that to not speak of it would be unethical. What y'all do with it is up to you,, but I did my part.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • C Catseye3
      5 Jul 2020, 13:21

      @Mik said in A Shaky Future?:

      You posted an opinion piece that starts from a bias and asking others to consider it. Posting evidence to the contrary does not seem to prompt you to consider your own position.

      I said more than once that I'm not qualified to own my own expertise in this. The CNN piece -- of course it's an opinion piece! It's CNN! How can it be anything else??? -- might, yes, be an opinion piece, but it has factuality embedded within it, IMO.

      You say I post from "bias" but am met with "evidence". Yeah, that's TNCR all right.

      The only thing I wanted to get across is that there are changes going on in the world that hold the promise of not boding well for the US, and that informed Americans need to be aware of this. I feel it's important enough that to not speak of it would be unethical. What y'all do with it is up to you,, but I did my part.

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      Loki
      wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 13:25 last edited by
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      @Catseye3 said in A Shaky Future?:

      @Mik said in A Shaky Future?:

      You posted an opinion piece that starts from a bias and asking others to consider it. Posting evidence to the contrary does not seem to prompt you to consider your own position.

      I said more than once that I'm not qualified to own my own expertise in this. The CNN piece -- of course it's an opinion piece! It's CNN! How can it be anything else??? -- might, yes, be an opinion piece, but it has factuality embedded within it, IMO.

      You say I post from "bias" but am met with "evidence". Yeah, that's TNCR all right.

      The only thing I wanted to get across is that there are changes going on in the world that hold the promise of not boding well for the US, and that informed Americans need to be aware of this. I feel it's important enough that to not speak of it would be unethical. What y'all do with it is up to you,, but I did my part.

      Cats the other tribe went after gas station parading as a country and let China run hog wild. The article is right but for the wrong reasons. They need to look in the mirror. Oh and any foreign policy that keeps China and Russia from aligning makes sense right? So if you were the US...oh never mind.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 13:48 last edited by
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        Opinion...

        Nations do not have friends, they have interests. Individual nations will do what they can, nonviolently or violently, to achieve their interests. This is the way it is and that is the way it will be be. Forever, amen.

        Now, Russia can do what they want. They are a sovereign nation. I think they have so many internal problems right now, any short term return to sheer power projection such as the old Soviet Union achieved is laughable. Russia cannot even afford to construct a fourth generation fighter.

        Renauda can speak to this much better than I, but the Russians always have had a duality that is hard for most to understand. On one hand, they would love to be European in many ways, but they are also an Asian country. And they've always had a bit of paranoia about them, for good reason, at times.

        Taking into account that all great nations will play The Great Game, I think as long as we show the Russians a little respect, we can deal with them.

        China is certainly another matter and has been ascending since Clinton started cutting the sweetheart deals with them and Biden voted for most favored nation status. We have let our money finance China into an economic powerhouse. On both sides of the political aisle, America loves cheap.

        China as a military power may be another thing, altogether. While China has been a land power for many years, they haven't been good at projecting power. And while the CCP may appear monolithic, the reality is that corruption and back-biting for advantage has long been a reality in China.

        I suspect who really scares the living crap out of China is Japan. China has poked the Land of the Rising Sun enough to make them start to reevaluate their War No More Constitution. Japan's technology is first rate and they have been a first rate naval power in the past and could easily be so in the future. Plus, Japan has a friend that can project more power around the globe, than the rest of the world combined, if we get down to brass tacks. And don't think the Chinese don't know it.

        I often wonder just how China perceives India. I think Trump recognizes India may be the counterweight to China in many respects. As American money and factories start to move out of China, they will lokk to invest and produce good elsewhere. For all of Trump's talk of bring jobs back to America, I think he does know that some things are better for our economy if they are made in countries with cheaper labor, resulting in lower prices to American consumers. I think he will continue to push investment in India (if possible), along with SE Asian countries such as Vietnam.

        As for the CNN piece and the OMB swamp critters down at Foggy Bottom...The State Department has long left snot tracks on the ceiling as the most swampiest old boy network on the Potomac. I'm usually a big proponent of civil service, but if there is one department in government that could benefit from the spoils system, it is the boys at State. Oftentimes, they think they are above the direction of the Executive Branch in implementing American foreign policy. Nothing should be further from the truth.

        The CNN piece is typical "find somebody to bellyache about Trump and then let's build a narrative around it". Trump has made some mistakes in foreign policy, he has also had some triumphs. The question for America is not necessarily about Trump, it is about what should be America's long term foreign policy goals. Since we have four year election cycles, where we change out leadership, it is often difficult to enage in any but the broadest and macro goals in respect to the long term.

        Perhaps CNN might engage in that discussion.

        But they won't.

        ā€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā€

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • L Loki
          5 Jul 2020, 13:20

          I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

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          bachophile
          wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 14:27 last edited by
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          @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

          I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

          Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
          His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

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            Larry
            wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 14:35 last edited by
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            I read a report some time ago about how human intelligence is devolving. According to the report, people who lived 500 years ago were smarter than today, people who lived 1000 years ago were smarter than those who lived 500 years ago, and so on. I could see their argument, but didn't necessarily agree with it. I am now convinced there is something to it, because I look at what passes for logic and reason today and am shocked at how much dumber people in general have become just over the years I have been alive.

            There is absolutely nothing - NOTHING - in that article worth the ink it took to print it. Not a single point in it passes as rational thought, the very fact that it's even being taken seriously by anyone at all is enough to make you scared for what's to come another generation out.

            Just as scary is that it is now obvious that far too many people would rather focus on their dislike of Trump than to actually use their brain and examine what will happen to this country if he loses. Some are so delusional they actually think the democrat party that exists today is the same one that existed just 15 or so years ago.

            Focus on what matters, not the kind of shit this article is shoveling.

            I weep for my country.

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            • B bachophile
              5 Jul 2020, 14:27

              @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

              I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

              Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
              His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

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              Larry
              wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 14:37 last edited by
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              @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

              @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

              I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

              Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
              His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

              I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

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              • L Larry
                5 Jul 2020, 14:35

                I read a report some time ago about how human intelligence is devolving. According to the report, people who lived 500 years ago were smarter than today, people who lived 1000 years ago were smarter than those who lived 500 years ago, and so on. I could see their argument, but didn't necessarily agree with it. I am now convinced there is something to it, because I look at what passes for logic and reason today and am shocked at how much dumber people in general have become just over the years I have been alive.

                There is absolutely nothing - NOTHING - in that article worth the ink it took to print it. Not a single point in it passes as rational thought, the very fact that it's even being taken seriously by anyone at all is enough to make you scared for what's to come another generation out.

                Just as scary is that it is now obvious that far too many people would rather focus on their dislike of Trump than to actually use their brain and examine what will happen to this country if he loses. Some are so delusional they actually think the democrat party that exists today is the same one that existed just 15 or so years ago.

                Focus on what matters, not the kind of shit this article is shoveling.

                I weep for my country.

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                bachophile
                wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 14:37 last edited by
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                @Larry is the Republican Party today what it was 15 yeas ago?

                to my mind they have both gone to shit.

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                • B bachophile
                  5 Jul 2020, 14:37

                  @Larry is the Republican Party today what it was 15 yeas ago?

                  to my mind they have both gone to shit.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 14:53 last edited by
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                  @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                  @Larry is the Republican Party today what it was 15 yeas ago?

                  to my mind they have both gone to shit.

                  I ain't Larry, but I'll take a stab at that one...

                  The Republican Party is more populist than it was 15 years ago. It now attracts more voters that previously were firmly under the Democrat umbrella. It is not as conservative (sadly) in many ways. Trump is much more a centrist, somewhat akin to Bill Clinton in the 90's, and if he had received the same press treatment as Clinton (sans Lewinsky) his approval ratings would be in the high 50's.

                  The Democrat Party is rapidly evolving into a Hard Left Looney Tunes Socialist party. Biden has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, and I'm afraid his VP choice will be further Left than he is. With the Great Society, we have assured the propagation of the stupid, a permanent subculture of Gibmedats. In a one man/one vote republic, as our politicians fall further into the pandering pit, the voracious appetite of the Gibmedats for ever more social programs, and the simple fact they will outbreed the middle and upper classes, will eventually lead to the fall of capitalism and the rise of socialism in our Grand Experiment.

                  May God have Mercy on the United States of America...

                  ā€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā€

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • B bachophile
                    5 Jul 2020, 14:27

                    @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                    I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                    Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                    His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

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                    Loki
                    wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:07 last edited by
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                    @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                    @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                    I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                    Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                    His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                    I understand your take on things but a man sums up his life based on Donald Trump, this book is his great insight? I feel sorry for the man.

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                    • J Jolly
                      5 Jul 2020, 12:33

                      Cats, that opinion article is more full of shit than a Christmas turkey.

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:10 last edited by
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                      @Jolly said in A Shaky Future?:

                      more full of shit than a Christmas turkey.

                      This is the most interesting part of this discussion so far. I never knew that Christmas turkeys are full of shit. Disgusting. Why do you eat them?

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                      • L Loki
                        5 Jul 2020, 15:07

                        @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                        @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                        I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                        Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                        His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                        I understand your take on things but a man sums up his life based on Donald Trump, this book is his great insight? I feel sorry for the man.

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                        bachophile
                        wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:10 last edited by bachophile 7 May 2020, 15:10
                        #26

                        @Loki it’s not a memoir or autobiography.

                        It’s a diary. That’s all. Of chaos

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                        • K Klaus
                          5 Jul 2020, 15:10

                          @Jolly said in A Shaky Future?:

                          more full of shit than a Christmas turkey.

                          This is the most interesting part of this discussion so far. I never knew that Christmas turkeys are full of shit. Disgusting. Why do you eat them?

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:12 last edited by
                          #27

                          @Klaus said in A Shaky Future?:

                          @Jolly said in A Shaky Future?:

                          more full of shit than a Christmas turkey.

                          This is the most interesting part of this discussion so far. I never knew that Christmas turkeys are full of shit. Disgusting. Why do you eat them?

                          Shit is a wonderful Southern idiom. We can use that one word, and darn near write a Shakespeare sonnet...

                          ā€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā€

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            bachophile
                            wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:17 last edited by
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                            Shall I compare thee to a summer’s shit?

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                            • J Jolly
                              5 Jul 2020, 15:12

                              @Klaus said in A Shaky Future?:

                              @Jolly said in A Shaky Future?:

                              more full of shit than a Christmas turkey.

                              This is the most interesting part of this discussion so far. I never knew that Christmas turkeys are full of shit. Disgusting. Why do you eat them?

                              Shit is a wonderful Southern idiom. We can use that one word, and darn near write a Shakespeare sonnet...

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:20 last edited by
                              #29

                              @Jolly said in A Shaky Future?:

                              Shit is a wonderful Southern idiom. We can use that one word, and darn near write a Shakespeare sonnet...

                              I assume that sonnet would be shit.

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                              • B bachophile
                                5 Jul 2020, 15:17

                                Shall I compare thee to a summer’s shit?

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                                Loki
                                wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:26 last edited by
                                #30

                                @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                Shall I compare thee to a summer’s shit?

                                Open your noses; for which of you will stop
                                The vent of smelling when loud bowel speaks?
                                I, from the White House to the publisher’s liar,
                                Making a fart my post-horse, still unfold
                                The shitty acts commenced on this ball of earth.
                                Upon my tongues continual turds slide

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                                • L Larry
                                  5 Jul 2020, 14:37

                                  @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                  @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                  I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                  Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                  His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                  I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

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                                  bachophile
                                  wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:28 last edited by
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                                  @Larry said in A Shaky Future?:

                                  @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                  @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                  I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                  Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                  His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                  I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

                                  I bet if he was the president he would push an agenda which you would back completely. He has contempt for liberals as much as you do.
                                  Trump doenst think in those terms. Only in terms of his own narcissism. He will embrace anyone who is willing to adore him. Makes no difffernece who. In that sennse he is not racist but very egalitarian. He will take love from anyone as long as it puts trump above anything else.

                                  He is such a pathetic man.

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                                  • B bachophile
                                    5 Jul 2020, 15:28

                                    @Larry said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                    Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                    His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                    I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

                                    I bet if he was the president he would push an agenda which you would back completely. He has contempt for liberals as much as you do.
                                    Trump doenst think in those terms. Only in terms of his own narcissism. He will embrace anyone who is willing to adore him. Makes no difffernece who. In that sennse he is not racist but very egalitarian. He will take love from anyone as long as it puts trump above anything else.

                                    He is such a pathetic man.

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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 15:54 last edited by
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                                    @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    @Larry said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                    I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                    Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                    His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                    I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

                                    I bet if he was the president he would push an agenda which you would back completely. He has contempt for liberals as much as you do.
                                    Trump doenst think in those terms. Only in terms of his own narcissism. He will embrace anyone who is willing to adore him. Makes no difffernece who. In that sennse he is not racist but very egalitarian. He will take love from anyone as long as it puts trump above anything else.

                                    He is such a pathetic man.

                                    I've never liked Bolton. I have always seen him with the same goggles you look at Tsrump through. And I disagree with your characterization of Trump "taking love from anyone as long as it puts Trump above anything else". Is he a bit narcissistic? Sure. Most successful people are to one degree or another. Is some of it comic relief done to piss off the haters? Sure. Is he crude sometimes? Sure. Should he shut his mouth so regimes? Sure. I'm guilty of every single one of those things.

                                    But - does he love this country? Yes he does. Does he care about the people of this country? Yes he does. Has he been successful as President? HELL YES. Has he changed the Republican party? Some, but not enough. Does Joe Biden love this country? No. He loves Joe Biden. And isn't that a classic symptom of a true narcissist? Does Joe Biden love the people in this country try? No. Joe Biden loves Joe Biden. Does the democrat party of today love this country and the people in It? No, they do not. They love power. And before Trump came along they had it, even if a Republican was in the White House, even if the republicans were in the majority in Congress. No matter who was in office, the democrats ran the show. And now they are proving they are willing to burn this nation to the ground if that's what it takes to regain their power position.

                                    That alone is all anyone should need to cause them to support Trump.

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                                      5 Jul 2020, 14:37

                                      @Larry is the Republican Party today what it was 15 yeas ago?

                                      to my mind they have both gone to shit.

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                                      wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 16:02 last edited by
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                                      @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                      @Larry is the Republican Party today what it was 15 yeas ago?

                                      to my mind they have both gone to shit.

                                      I can agree with that. BUT - right now, whether we like it or not, the only thing standing in the way of a Marxist takeover is the Republican party. And, the Republican party, as useless as some of them are, does have several very good and capable members. There's not a competent leader whatsoever in the democrat party.

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                                        wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 16:17 last edited by
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                                        @bachophile I agree with a lot of your summary. I will have to read that book at some point.

                                        In my (very small) observations, the standing of the US on the world stage is lower than it has been since I can recall. In terms of respect, good feelings, willingness to work with, fear, etc. President Trump has not done a good job at all in regards to foreign affairs.

                                        Our relationship with adversaries is (generally) worse than before
                                        Our relationship with allies is (generally) worse than before

                                        From talking to locals and government officials in various countries to having access to (semi) confidential white papers on foreign leaders opinions of the US, there is not a whole lot of positive thoughts about President Trump.

                                        I agree that President Trump is a narcissist and like Larry says, all President are. However, I believe that President Trump takes it to a whole other level. And that clouds his abilities to really be effective and understand/analyze situations and peoples.

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                                        • B bachophile
                                          5 Jul 2020, 15:28

                                          @Larry said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                          Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                          His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                          I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

                                          I bet if he was the president he would push an agenda which you would back completely. He has contempt for liberals as much as you do.
                                          Trump doenst think in those terms. Only in terms of his own narcissism. He will embrace anyone who is willing to adore him. Makes no difffernece who. In that sennse he is not racist but very egalitarian. He will take love from anyone as long as it puts trump above anything else.

                                          He is such a pathetic man.

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                                          wrote on 5 Jul 2020, 16:47 last edited by
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                                          @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          @Larry said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          @bachophile said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          @Loki said in A Shaky Future?:

                                          I’d like to see Bolton write a book about himself and how far his ā€œcompetenceā€ took him. Spoiler alert- tool of the left before disposed of.

                                          Look I disagree with 90% of his world view. But I think at age 71, a Yale lawyer, with the jobs of assistant attorney general, undersecretary of state, UN ambassador and national security advisor, I don’t think he is truly worried about his legacy. I would think his competence actually took him quite far. And from what I can tell from his book, he could not care one whit what the left does with his book because he makes very clear his disdain for the liberal world outlook.
                                          His ire with trump is more about someone who could have advanced a conservative agenda because he had the mandate, vis a vis Russia or China or North Korea, but was too much obsessed with his own image and actually envied the ruthlessness of Putin, Kim Jong un or Xi Jinping, without the true leadership qualities u need to be a tyrant. He wasn’t up to the task because at the end of the day, he hasn’t grown out of being a reality show faker. With nothing but true disdain for his adoring base.

                                          I can see how you might see it that way, but the truth is he is a little man with a Napoleon complex and pissed off because he found out he wasn't running the country.

                                          I bet if he was the president he would push an agenda which you would back completely. He has contempt for liberals as much as you do.
                                          Trump doenst think in those terms. Only in terms of his own narcissism. He will embrace anyone who is willing to adore him. Makes no difffernece who. In that sennse he is not racist but very egalitarian. He will take love from anyone as long as it puts trump above anything else.

                                          He is such a pathetic man.

                                          To reduce to pure narcissism, is intellectually dishonest. He thinks he is right and is on a mission whether you agree with him or not.

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