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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    McCarthy has an interesting take on all of this.

    tl;dr version

    • Paying hush money is not illegal.
    • Where the money came from is...complicated
    • Statute of limitations is a big factor, also complicated.

    Bottom line - thin case for Bragg, who had already dropped it in the past.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #5

      Two words.

      John Edwards.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG George K

        McCarthy has an interesting take on all of this.

        tl;dr version

        • Paying hush money is not illegal.
        • Where the money came from is...complicated
        • Statute of limitations is a big factor, also complicated.

        Bottom line - thin case for Bragg, who had already dropped it in the past.

        jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
        #6

        @George-K said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

        McCarthy has an interesting take on all of this.

        tl;dr version

        • Paying hush money is not illegal.
        • Where the money came from is...complicated
        • Statute of limitations is a big factor, also complicated.

        Bottom line - thin case for Bragg, who had already dropped it in the past.

        I think the misdemeanor case is solid, but the felony is very weak (to jolly’s point about Edwards). I suspect this guy will overreach, but I hope not.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • Catseye3C Offline
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          Catseye3
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          #7

          All of which skates over entirely how unsuited he is to hold office. I mean, who cares if he's suited? So long as there is plenty of fodder to fuck around with.

          Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

          Not that Trump wouldn't have an explanation for it. You can massage anything if you have no respect for truth.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @George-K said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

            McCarthy has an interesting take on all of this.

            tl;dr version

            • Paying hush money is not illegal.
            • Where the money came from is...complicated
            • Statute of limitations is a big factor, also complicated.

            Bottom line - thin case for Bragg, who had already dropped it in the past.

            I think the misdemeanor case is solid, but the felony is very weak (to jolly’s point about Edwards). I suspect this guy will overreach, but I hope not.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

            I think the misdemeanor case is solid, but the felony is very weak

            McCarthy's point is that the statute of limitations for the misdemeanor is two years, but for the felony is five.

            If Bragg cannot prove the felony, we are left with misdemeanor falsification of records and the two-year statute of limitations would apply. We don’t know all the accounting facts, but we can probably assume that that has run by now — indeed, it likely lapsed in 2020 or 2021. If it’s just a misdemeanor, Trump is probably right that the case is time-barred.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Jolly
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              #9

              Face it, if Trump could win reelection, just think how many people's lives could reaquire True Meaning. 😄😄

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • George KG George K

                @jon-nyc said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                I think the misdemeanor case is solid, but the felony is very weak

                McCarthy's point is that the statute of limitations for the misdemeanor is two years, but for the felony is five.

                If Bragg cannot prove the felony, we are left with misdemeanor falsification of records and the two-year statute of limitations would apply. We don’t know all the accounting facts, but we can probably assume that that has run by now — indeed, it likely lapsed in 2020 or 2021. If it’s just a misdemeanor, Trump is probably right that the case is time-barred.

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                jon-nyc
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                @George-K Right - makes sense.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Face it, if Trump could win reelection, just think how many people's lives could reaquire True Meaning. 😄😄

                  Catseye3C Offline
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                  Catseye3
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                  @Jolly

                  Aw, now you're just being a tease. 😳

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #12

                    For the record I think it’s a mistake to make the felony charge. Intent is too hard to prove for the campaign finance violation. There are too many other reasons a man would pay to cover up an affair.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      All of which skates over entirely how unsuited he is to hold office. I mean, who cares if he's suited? So long as there is plenty of fodder to fuck around with.

                      Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

                      Not that Trump wouldn't have an explanation for it. You can massage anything if you have no respect for truth.

                      MikM Offline
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                      @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                      All of which skates over entirely how unsuited he is to hold office. I mean, who cares? So long as there is plenty of fodder to fuck around with.

                      Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

                      Not that Trump wouldn't have an explanation for it. You can massage anything if you have no respect for truth.

                      That’s a great post, Cats.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        All of which skates over entirely how unsuited he is to hold office. I mean, who cares if he's suited? So long as there is plenty of fodder to fuck around with.

                        Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

                        Not that Trump wouldn't have an explanation for it. You can massage anything if you have no respect for truth.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #14

                        @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                        Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

                        Agreed. But, as Scott Adams said, "If Trump ends up in handcuffs, he will be your next president."

                        Not sure how that'll work out, but it will certainly rile up his base.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                          He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                            He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #16

                            @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                            I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                            He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                            It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                              I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                              He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                              It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

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                              Horace
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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                              @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                              I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                              He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                              It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                              If you assume their goals are not their ideology but rather their personal advancement in the social hierarchy, their behavior might make more sense.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                                He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                                It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                                If you assume their goals are not their ideology but rather their personal advancement in the social hierarchy, their behavior might make more sense.

                                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                @Horace said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                                He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                                It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                                If you assume their goals are not their ideology but rather their personal advancement in the social hierarchy, their behavior might make more sense.

                                So it's a choice between stupidity and sociopathy. Great.

                                I was only joking

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                                  On another note, one might think he'd have learned that encouraging protests was not a great strategy.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Horace said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                                    He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                                    It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                                    If you assume their goals are not their ideology but rather their personal advancement in the social hierarchy, their behavior might make more sense.

                                    So it's a choice between stupidity and sociopathy. Great.

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by Horace
                                    #20

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    @Horace said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                    I think they continue making the same mistake as during his term - trying to turn him into the boogeyman. All that does is make him look some perversion of noble and keep him in the public eye.

                                    He should be ignored. It would precipitate increasingly outrageous behavior on his part and accomplish their aims far more effectively.

                                    It's really surprising how stupid politicians can be.

                                    If you assume their goals are not their ideology but rather their personal advancement in the social hierarchy, their behavior might make more sense.

                                    So it's a choice between stupidity and sociopathy. Great.

                                    A motivation for social advancement, and an inability to disentangle one's personal ambitions from alleged ideological motivations, is way too normal to be considered sociopathic or aberrant.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Catseye3 said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                      Adding my bit: A good thing would be for Tuesday to come and go with nothing happening. No arrest, and protesters standing around holding their peckers and their posters of outrage dragging in the dirt.

                                      Agreed. But, as Scott Adams said, "If Trump ends up in handcuffs, he will be your next president."

                                      Not sure how that'll work out, but it will certainly rile up his base.

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                                      @George-K said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                      Not sure how that'll work out, but it will certainly rile up his base.

                                      Question of the hour: How widespread is his base nowadays? We hear glancing references to fans falling away, but what's the reality here?

                                      Tell you what, a good barometric way to answer that would be to watch Trump himself. The more he spins to push himself into the public eye, the more worried he is, maybe.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        I would think he lost at least half of them the afternoon of January 6 when he told them all to go home.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          On another note, one might think he'd have learned that encouraging protests was not a great strategy.

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                                          @Mik said in Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday:

                                          On another note, one might think he'd have learned that encouraging protests was not a great strategy.

                                          He's not really the brightest bulb, either. From time to time, I've wondered whether he is genuinely stupid, but I suspect it's more of a personality disorder.

                                          I was only joking

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