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  • H Horace
    17 Mar 2023, 22:27

    @Mik said in The Killing Tree:

    Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.

    Yes, of course. But the rhetorical trick I mentioned, and which Renauda has made a big deal of, is real, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially as it relates to American political rhetoric, in which I am a native expert.

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    Renauda
    wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:37 last edited by Renauda
    #31

    @Horace

    So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      17 Mar 2023, 22:37

      @Horace

      So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

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      Horace
      wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:41 last edited by
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      @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

      @Horace

      So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

      I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.

      As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • H Horace
        17 Mar 2023, 22:41

        @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

        @Horace

        So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

        I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.

        As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:42 last edited by Renauda
        #33

        @Horace

        Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

        Elbows up!

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        • R Renauda
          17 Mar 2023, 22:42

          @Horace

          Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

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          Horace
          wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:43 last edited by
          #34

          @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

          @Horace

          Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

          You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • H Horace
            17 Mar 2023, 22:43

            @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

            @Horace

            Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

            You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:45 last edited by
            #35

            @Horace

            Piss off yourself, you know damn well what I mean.

            Elbows up!

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            • H Horace
              17 Mar 2023, 21:56

              @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

              @Horace

              It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

              You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

              I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

              As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:58 last edited by
              #36

              @Horace said in The Killing Tree:

              @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

              @Horace

              It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

              You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

              I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

              As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

              I'll tell you what is absolutely hilarious. Being told what Britain is like by somebody who's never been there except possibly on holiday.

              And it's happened to me more than once.

              I was only joking

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                Copper
                wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:05 last edited by
                #37

                The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.

                So anyone who has been here is qualified.

                Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

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                • C Copper
                  17 Mar 2023, 23:05

                  The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.

                  So anyone who has been here is qualified.

                  Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:34 last edited by
                  #38

                  @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                  New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                  Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    17 Mar 2023, 23:34

                    @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                    New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                    Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:39 last edited by
                    #39

                    @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                    @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                    New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                    Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                    Well....maybe not.

                    The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • J Jolly
                      17 Mar 2023, 23:39

                      @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                      @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                      New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                      Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                      Well....maybe not.

                      The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:44 last edited by Renauda
                      #40

                      @Jolly

                      You Coonasses have nothing on the Newfies as far as traditional grass roots accents go. Likewise with French, according to the linguists and Euro-French, our Quebecois sounds like rural French patois spoken 200 years ago in rural France

                      Elbows up!

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                      • J Jolly
                        17 Mar 2023, 23:39

                        @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                        @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                        New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                        Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                        Well....maybe not.

                        The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 00:07 last edited by
                        #41

                        @Jolly said in The Killing Tree:

                        @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                        @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                        New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                        Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                        Well....maybe not.

                        Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish

                        Hackney? That's a suburb of London. I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time. We've got kettles older than your country.

                        Incidentally, it has been said that Butch Cassidy quite possibly spoke with a Preston accent, which is the town I'm from, as his parents came from there. Stick 'em up, Chuck!

                        I was only joking

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          18 Mar 2023, 00:07

                          @Jolly said in The Killing Tree:

                          @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                          @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                          New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                          Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                          Well....maybe not.

                          Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish

                          Hackney? That's a suburb of London. I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time. We've got kettles older than your country.

                          Incidentally, it has been said that Butch Cassidy quite possibly spoke with a Preston accent, which is the town I'm from, as his parents came from there. Stick 'em up, Chuck!

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 00:58 last edited by Renauda
                          #42

                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time.

                          What would you know about that, eh? You were only born and grew up there.

                          Elbows up!

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on 21 Mar 2023, 01:33 last edited by
                            #43

                            It is just insane crazy what the Khmer Rouge did. I was able to attend a talk given by Nate Thayer, who was the "Far Eastern Economic Review" magazine reporter who tracked down and "found" Pol Pot in the jungle in 1997 and interviewed him.

                            Quite an interesting talk on the Khmer Rouge and what they did when they controlled the country from 1975-1979 and how they managed to survive and control part of the country for a few decades after that.

                            (Nate Thayer just recently died.)

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