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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Horace

    It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

    You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

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    #26

    @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

    @Horace

    It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

    You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

    I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

    As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

      @Horace

      It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

      You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

      I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

      As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #27

      @Horace

      But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

      I would have never thought there were so many dishonest people wanting to hear what others with direct experience, have to say about a given topic or issue.

      Perhaps you can give us some insight into the dialectics of how pop culture and progressive liberalism affect one trick ponies?

      Elbows up!

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        #28

        Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @Horace

          But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

          I would have never thought there were so many dishonest people wanting to hear what others with direct experience, have to say about a given topic or issue.

          Perhaps you can give us some insight into the dialectics of how pop culture and progressive liberalism affect one trick ponies?

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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #29

          @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

          @Horace

          But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

          It's all well and good to solicit perspectives from natives, I never claimed otherwise. The amount of respect you have for the opinions of natives regarding their country's politics, is clear.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Mik

            Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.

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            @Mik said in The Killing Tree:

            Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.

            Yes, of course. But the rhetorical trick I mentioned, and which Renauda has made a big deal of, is real, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially as it relates to American political rhetoric, in which I am a native expert.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @Mik said in The Killing Tree:

              Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.

              Yes, of course. But the rhetorical trick I mentioned, and which Renauda has made a big deal of, is real, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially as it relates to American political rhetoric, in which I am a native expert.

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              Renauda
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              #31

              @Horace

              So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Horace

                So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

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                Horace
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                #32

                @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                @Horace

                So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

                I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.

                As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                  @Horace

                  So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?

                  I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.

                  As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.

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                  Renauda
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                  #33

                  @Horace

                  Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @Horace

                    Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

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                    Horace
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                    #34

                    @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                    @Horace

                    Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

                    You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                      @Horace

                      Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.

                      You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #35

                      @Horace

                      Piss off yourself, you know damn well what I mean.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                        @Horace

                        It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

                        You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

                        I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

                        As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #36

                        @Horace said in The Killing Tree:

                        @Renauda said in The Killing Tree:

                        @Horace

                        It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.

                        You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.

                        I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.

                        As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.

                        I'll tell you what is absolutely hilarious. Being told what Britain is like by somebody who's never been there except possibly on holiday.

                        And it's happened to me more than once.

                        I was only joking

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                          #37

                          The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.

                          So anyone who has been here is qualified.

                          Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.

                            So anyone who has been here is qualified.

                            Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

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                            George K
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                            #38

                            @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                            New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                            Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                              New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                              Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

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                              Jolly
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                              #39

                              @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                              @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                              New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                              Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                              Well....maybe not.

                              The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                                @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                                New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                                Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                                Well....maybe not.

                                The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #40

                                @Jolly

                                You Coonasses have nothing on the Newfies as far as traditional grass roots accents go. Likewise with French, according to the linguists and Euro-French, our Quebecois sounds like rural French patois spoken 200 years ago in rural France

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                                  @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                                  New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                                  Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                                  Well....maybe not.

                                  The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #41

                                  @Jolly said in The Killing Tree:

                                  @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                                  @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                                  New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                                  Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                                  Well....maybe not.

                                  Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish

                                  Hackney? That's a suburb of London. I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time. We've got kettles older than your country.

                                  Incidentally, it has been said that Butch Cassidy quite possibly spoke with a Preston accent, which is the town I'm from, as his parents came from there. Stick 'em up, Chuck!

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Jolly said in The Killing Tree:

                                    @George-K said in The Killing Tree:

                                    @Copper said in The Killing Tree:

                                    New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.

                                    Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.

                                    Well....maybe not.

                                    Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish

                                    Hackney? That's a suburb of London. I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time. We've got kettles older than your country.

                                    Incidentally, it has been said that Butch Cassidy quite possibly spoke with a Preston accent, which is the town I'm from, as his parents came from there. Stick 'em up, Chuck!

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #42

                                    @Doctor-Phibes

                                    I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time.

                                    What would you know about that, eh? You were only born and grew up there.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      It is just insane crazy what the Khmer Rouge did. I was able to attend a talk given by Nate Thayer, who was the "Far Eastern Economic Review" magazine reporter who tracked down and "found" Pol Pot in the jungle in 1997 and interviewed him.

                                      Quite an interesting talk on the Khmer Rouge and what they did when they controlled the country from 1975-1979 and how they managed to survive and control part of the country for a few decades after that.

                                      (Nate Thayer just recently died.)

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