The Killing Tree
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Killing Tree:
@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
Meaningless post which shuts down conversation about all things which do not reach the threshold of genocide.
No. When the initial discussion is about genocide, changing the subject to being about America's latest fad is what is shutting down the conversation.
If I barged into one of your interminable posts about the horrors of American pop culture by changing the subject to the holocaust, then that would be shutting down the conversation as you claim.
Which is what I'm going to do from now on, incidentally.
Well you do, in fact, have more of a history here than probably any other poster, with contributions which are really only transparent attempts at denying the possibility that others are making reasonable points. This denial comes in the form of messenger-shooting and both-sides-are-equalizing. Anybody can play this game of zooming out, describing, and dismissing the posts of others. It's lame and intellectually vacuous though.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 19:28 last edited by@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Killing Tree:
@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
Meaningless post which shuts down conversation about all things which do not reach the threshold of genocide.
No. When the initial discussion is about genocide, changing the subject to being about America's latest fad is what is shutting down the conversation.
If I barged into one of your interminable posts about the horrors of American pop culture by changing the subject to the holocaust, then that would be shutting down the conversation as you claim.
Which is what I'm going to do from now on, incidentally.
Well you do, in fact, have more of a history here than probably any other poster, with contributions which are really only transparent attempts at denying the possibility that others are making reasonable points. This denial comes in the form of messenger-shooting and both-sides-are-equalizing. Anybody can play this game of zooming out, describing, and dismissing the posts of others. It's lame and intellectually vacuous though.
Yeah, I must admit I frequently don't put much thought into my posts. I hope you don't either, because you've basically made the same one about a million times already.
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@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Killing Tree:
@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
Meaningless post which shuts down conversation about all things which do not reach the threshold of genocide.
No. When the initial discussion is about genocide, changing the subject to being about America's latest fad is what is shutting down the conversation.
If I barged into one of your interminable posts about the horrors of American pop culture by changing the subject to the holocaust, then that would be shutting down the conversation as you claim.
Which is what I'm going to do from now on, incidentally.
Well you do, in fact, have more of a history here than probably any other poster, with contributions which are really only transparent attempts at denying the possibility that others are making reasonable points. This denial comes in the form of messenger-shooting and both-sides-are-equalizing. Anybody can play this game of zooming out, describing, and dismissing the posts of others. It's lame and intellectually vacuous though.
Yeah, I must admit I frequently don't put much thought into my posts. I hope you don't either, because you've basically made the same one about a million times already.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 20:37 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Killing Tree:
@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Killing Tree:
@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
Meaningless post which shuts down conversation about all things which do not reach the threshold of genocide.
No. When the initial discussion is about genocide, changing the subject to being about America's latest fad is what is shutting down the conversation.
If I barged into one of your interminable posts about the horrors of American pop culture by changing the subject to the holocaust, then that would be shutting down the conversation as you claim.
Which is what I'm going to do from now on, incidentally.
Well you do, in fact, have more of a history here than probably any other poster, with contributions which are really only transparent attempts at denying the possibility that others are making reasonable points. This denial comes in the form of messenger-shooting and both-sides-are-equalizing. Anybody can play this game of zooming out, describing, and dismissing the posts of others. It's lame and intellectually vacuous though.
Yeah, I must admit I frequently don't put much thought into my posts. I hope you don't either, because you've basically made the same one about a million times already.
Like you pay any attention to them.
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I am deeply ashamed to admit that I don't know much about Cambodia. I do work with a Cambodian guy whose family was mostly killed by the KR. That probably gives me relative authority in this discussion. Disagree with anything I say at your own peril of being defined as wrong.
Yesterday you posted the following in the Israel thread:
Nobody actually holds to a principle of deferring to natives regarding cultural issues. They only pretend to defer when they know a priori they will agree with a given native.
I don’t believe you are the least bit ashamed.
However to your point that you don’t know much about Cambodia, I am not surprised. That would probably require you to crack open a history text. Too much for your pop culture obsessed technocrat brain to handle
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 20:45 last edited by@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
I am deeply ashamed to admit that I don't know much about Cambodia. I do work with a Cambodian guy whose family was mostly killed by the KR. That probably gives me relative authority in this discussion. Disagree with anything I say at your own peril of being defined as wrong.
Yesterday you posted the following in the Israel thread:
Nobody actually holds to a principle of deferring to natives regarding cultural issues. They only pretend to defer when they know a priori they will agree with a given native.
I don’t believe you are the least bit ashamed.
However to your point that you don’t know much about Cambodia, I am not surprised. That would probably require you to crack open a history text. Too much for your pop culture obsessed technocrat brain to handle
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues. This happens in one of two scenarios:
- The person claiming to defer, has no dog in the hunt regarding that issue.
- The person claiming to defer, knows a priori that the native will agree with them on an issue they do in fact care about.
This rhetorical trick often comes into play here in America in a slightly different way. White liberals will claim to defer to black Americans about all things race, and by extension nearly all things political. But they only defer when they know a particular black person will agree with them.
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@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
I am deeply ashamed to admit that I don't know much about Cambodia. I do work with a Cambodian guy whose family was mostly killed by the KR. That probably gives me relative authority in this discussion. Disagree with anything I say at your own peril of being defined as wrong.
Yesterday you posted the following in the Israel thread:
Nobody actually holds to a principle of deferring to natives regarding cultural issues. They only pretend to defer when they know a priori they will agree with a given native.
I don’t believe you are the least bit ashamed.
However to your point that you don’t know much about Cambodia, I am not surprised. That would probably require you to crack open a history text. Too much for your pop culture obsessed technocrat brain to handle
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues. This happens in one of two scenarios:
- The person claiming to defer, has no dog in the hunt regarding that issue.
- The person claiming to defer, knows a priori that the native will agree with them on an issue they do in fact care about.
This rhetorical trick often comes into play here in America in a slightly different way. White liberals will claim to defer to black Americans about all things race, and by extension nearly all things political. But they only defer when they know a particular black person will agree with them.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 21:48 last edited by RenaudaIt was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
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It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 21:56 last edited by Horace@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.
As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
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@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.
As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:15 last edited by RenaudaBut it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
I would have never thought there were so many dishonest people wanting to hear what others with direct experience, have to say about a given topic or issue.
Perhaps you can give us some insight into the dialectics of how pop culture and progressive liberalism affect one trick ponies?
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wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:25 last edited by
Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.
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But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
I would have never thought there were so many dishonest people wanting to hear what others with direct experience, have to say about a given topic or issue.
Perhaps you can give us some insight into the dialectics of how pop culture and progressive liberalism affect one trick ponies?
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:25 last edited by@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
It's all well and good to solicit perspectives from natives, I never claimed otherwise. The amount of respect you have for the opinions of natives regarding their country's politics, is clear.
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Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:27 last edited by@Mik said in The Killing Tree:
Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.
Yes, of course. But the rhetorical trick I mentioned, and which Renauda has made a big deal of, is real, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially as it relates to American political rhetoric, in which I am a native expert.
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@Mik said in The Killing Tree:
Not sure about natives, which Bach isn’t, but I normally respect the views of people who I am sure know more than I about a given subject. I may or may not completely agree, but I certainly give their opinions more weight.
Yes, of course. But the rhetorical trick I mentioned, and which Renauda has made a big deal of, is real, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Especially as it relates to American political rhetoric, in which I am a native expert.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:37 last edited by RenaudaSo does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?
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So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:41 last edited by@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?
I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.
As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.
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@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
So does that explain why when Americans speak of other countries’ delivery of health care and insurance they are in fact only speaking about the delivery of US health care and insurance as they have no idea or any interest about how those services are administered outside the US?
I consider that to be a very interesting question, and I have no fealty whatsoever to the American system.
As for any other Americans you may have in mind, I suggest asking them.
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wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:43 last edited by
@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.
You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.
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@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
Nice punt and that’s not Irish money I’m talking about, either.
You change the subject to health care and I'm punting? Run along please.
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@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.
As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 22:58 last edited by@Horace said in The Killing Tree:
@Renauda said in The Killing Tree:
It was a good point that I posted, about people pretending to defer to natives on cultural issues.
You’re probably right despite the fact it was irrelevant to the demonstrations in Israel, which was, in fact the topic of thread. Unless of course you posted under the illusion that no one was interested in what bach, a resident of Israel, had say about the question affecting his country. If that is the case and I suspect it could very well be so, your post is really little other than passive aggressive snipe at the fact that some here honestly do, want to hear what an Israeli citizen and regular poster to this forum, has to say about the crisis in their country.
I'm sure it's interesting to hear perspectives from people who live there.
As for deferring to natives regarding conclusive opinions, obviously nobody on this board has such a principle. And obviously no such principle even exists coherently, when a culture is itself divided. But it's a principle that pops up often, and always disingenuously, by people who want to crib some credibility for their own opinion, by attaching it to someone who would know, and others should shut up.
I'll tell you what is absolutely hilarious. Being told what Britain is like by somebody who's never been there except possibly on holiday.
And it's happened to me more than once.
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wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:05 last edited by
The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.
So anyone who has been here is qualified.
Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
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The colonies used to be part of the kingdom.
So anyone who has been here is qualified.
Especially if they have been to New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:34 last edited by@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
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@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:39 last edited by@George-K said in The Killing Tree:
@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
Well....maybe not.
The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.
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@George-K said in The Killing Tree:
@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
Well....maybe not.
The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.
wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 23:44 last edited by RenaudaYou Coonasses have nothing on the Newfies as far as traditional grass roots accents go. Likewise with French, according to the linguists and Euro-French, our Quebecois sounds like rural French patois spoken 200 years ago in rural France
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@George-K said in The Killing Tree:
@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
Well....maybe not.
The Southern U.S. accent and much of the older, upper crust British accent is somewhat similar. Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish, while we South of the Mason-Dixon have held true to our linguistic roots.
wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 00:07 last edited by@Jolly said in The Killing Tree:
@George-K said in The Killing Tree:
@Copper said in The Killing Tree:
New England, it's the same as Old England without some old things.
Except for the language. Old England's sounds funnier.
Well....maybe not.
Phibes has devolved into some hackneyed gibberish
Hackney? That's a suburb of London. I speak with a distinct Lancashire accent, which goes back quite some time. We've got kettles older than your country.
Incidentally, it has been said that Butch Cassidy quite possibly spoke with a Preston accent, which is the town I'm from, as his parents came from there. Stick 'em up, Chuck!
