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This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    Funny I've been seeing a lot of people trying to define 'wokeness' in the past couple of days but wasn't sure what started it.

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/this-is-gonna-be-one-of-those-moments-that-goes-viral-conservative-pundit-short-circuits-when-asked-to-define-wokeness/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • HoraceH Offline
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      It's just short-hand for the more extreme social justice side of the culture wars.

      The woke will be more supportive of defunding police, or reparations, or race-based employment and education opportunities, or CRT in the schools. The woke are religious practitioners of leftist progressive ideology. Wokeness is faith in social justice progressivism, full stop. If reason or data get in the way, then reason or data have to be disposed of.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        From Tim Urban, a little complicated but it captures the evolution of ideas. He is intentionally avoiding the word woke here in favor of ‘Social Justice Fundamentalism’

        094DF463-E34E-49DF-A91B-BEA91EE467B0.jpeg

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #4

          Noah Smith’s #s 2 and 3 capture it pretty succinctly.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            #5

            Yes mine is the best definition.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #6

              I’m sure it’s the best definition for you.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                Identity politics.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  From Tim Urban, a little complicated but it captures the evolution of ideas. He is intentionally avoiding the word woke here in favor of ‘Social Justice Fundamentalism’

                  094DF463-E34E-49DF-A91B-BEA91EE467B0.jpeg

                  MikM Offline
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                  @jon-nyc What that chart leads to is we have no standards whatsoever. The Whatever Society.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    It's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      I’m sure it’s the best definition for you.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      @jon-nyc said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                      I’m sure it’s the best definition for you.

                      Yes that stands to reason. The best in general will also be the best for me.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #11

                        This one is great.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          You know, there really is only one way to ensure equity. Enforced population control. So long as there are more white people than individual minorities, there can be no true equity. And even those measures taken by whites to aid in DEI are by their nature inequitable. These measures are being taken and provided by whites. And they know it. How “magnanimous” of them.

                          The Brad

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                            On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                            On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                              On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                              On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                              On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                              Interesting argument. I don't recall seeing a huge transgenderism movement in the black, asian or hispanic communities.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Even limiting numbers doesn’t help if the minority whites (and Asians) continue to outperform. To truly achieve equity you’d have to proactively limit the opportunities the disfavored ethnicities could enjoy. Like Malaysia does to it’s Chinese minority.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Even limiting numbers doesn’t help if the minority whites (and Asians) continue to outperform. To truly achieve equity you’d have to proactively limit the opportunities the disfavored ethnicities could enjoy. Like Malaysia does to it’s Chinese minority.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                  Even limiting numbers doesn’t help if the minority whites (and Asians) continue to outperform. To truly achieve equity you’d have to proactively limit the opportunities the disfavored ethnicities could enjoy. Like Malaysia does to it’s Chinese minority.

                                  No, if you admit that some cultures would continue to outperform the median even if the system is balanced in numbers, then you are admitting there is something more than inherent and imbedded racism at play. The movement cannot have inconsistency… Oh wait, nevermind…

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                                    On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                    On the long term, there simply are too many of them.

                                    White people are a minority.

                                    They are not properly geographically distributed.

                                    There are too many in the USA, spread them around and let's see what happens.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                      On the long term, there simply are too many of them.

                                      White people are a minority.

                                      They are not properly geographically distributed.

                                      There are too many in the USA, spread them around and let's see what happens.

                                      AxtremusA Away
                                      AxtremusA Away
                                      Axtremus
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                                      @Copper said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                      White people are a minority.

                                      They are not properly geographically distributed.

                                      There are too many in the USA, spread them around and let's see what happens.

                                      Indeed. Historically, white people have done quite a bit to spread themselves around, colonizing the world and whatnot.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                                        On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                                        AxtremusA Away
                                        AxtremusA Away
                                        Axtremus
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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                        On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China?

                                        The Communists in China was so forward looking, they recognized how their own population are so much bigger than others that they volunteered into the one-child policy decades ago! India, in contrast, has no such self-awareness.

                                        You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                                        Dude, no need to reinvent the wheel; the CCP has shown you that forced abortions and forced sterilizations were very effective. You just need to accept abortions and let the government fund abortions.

                                        Or raise the cost of raising children, bigly. Continuing to learn from mainland China, the cost of raising children got so high (compared to income) that most folks in mainland China refuse to procreate.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                          On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                                          On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                                          Interesting argument. I don't recall seeing a huge transgenderism movement in the black, asian or hispanic communities.

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                                          @Jolly said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in This is gonna be one of those moments that goes viral....:

                                          On the short term, I suggest limiting the number of white people that can vote.

                                          On the long term, there simply are too many of them. Should we pass 1 baby measures similar to China? Specifically for whites, of course. And just till the numbers even up. You know, a great way to make this happen? Make their boys think they’re girls and the girls think they’re boys!

                                          Interesting argument. I don't recall seeing a huge transgenderism movement in the black, asian or hispanic communities.

                                          Most of the black hookers in Springfield were crossdressers.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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