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Not in my courtroom...

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #22

    Disbarred?

    Now an emeritus professor at George Washington University Law School, Banzhaf, 82, is among the most accomplished and aggressive public interest lawyers in the United States. His first legal jihad, waged in the 1960s against Big Tobacco, resulted in strict advertising restrictions on cigarettes as well as a ban on smoking in airplanes. Since then, Banzhaf has led litigious crusades against fast food chains, religious universities, and private clubs, using legal action—or the mere threat of it—to affect social change.

    He’s hardly a right-wing zealot. It was Banzhaf who proposed and popularized the idea of appointing a special prosecutor to investigate former president Richard Nixon, setting in motion the legal drama that would ultimately end his presidency. A half century later, he filed a complaint with Georgia election officials over former president Donald Trump’s 2021 call to Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger—in which the former president pressured Raffensperger to overturn the state’s election results—leading to a multi-year investigation and several subpoenas.
    Now, though, this self-proclaimed "legal terrorist" has set his sights on an unlikely target: the Stanford Law School students who shouted down Fifth Circuit appellate judge Kyle Duncan.

    Banzhaf told Stanford earlier this month that he will file a character and fitness complaint against the students with the California state bar.

    "It appears that you have not taken any steps to discipline or otherwise sanction the student violators," Banzhaf said in a letter to Jenny Martinez, the law school’s dean, who has since ruled out punishing the hecklers. As such, the complaint "will have links to video recordings of the disruption so that bar officials can judge the students’ conduct for themselves."

    The California bar requires applicants to demonstrate "respect for the rights of others and for the judicial process." That means the students who disrupted Duncan—in part by telling him "we hope your daughters get raped"—could be in for a rude awakening if Banzhaf makes good on his threat.

    This incident "seriously calls into question whether these students have proper temperament to practice law," Banzhaf told the Washington Free Beacon. "It is completely unacceptable to shout down any speaker—much less a federal judge—and then face no consequences."

    Such statements have made Banzhaf the strange bedfellow of Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas), who this month urged the Texas bar to "take particular care" with graduates of Stanford Law School. The horseshoe suggests that outrage about Duncan’s treatment crosses partisan divides—and offers a blueprint to fill the disciplinary void left by other elite law schools, which have refused to punish blatant violations of their free speech policies.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      You really hate to make an example of people, because you could literally ruin their lives, but something has to be done. The monkeys cannot run the zoo.

      I think firing the DEI twat and censuring the students may be enough. Or not.

      We have to make sure this behavior is not tolerated.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #24

        How we strike a balance between free speech and diversity, equity and inclusion is worthy of serious, thoughtful and civil discussion

        tl;dr: “I don’t believe in free speech”

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          How we strike a balance between free speech and diversity, equity and inclusion is worthy of serious, thoughtful and civil discussion

          tl;dr: “I don’t believe in free speech”

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
          #25

          It can be a serious, thoughtful and civil discussion as long as it’s a quick one:

          Free speech wins, DEI deals with it.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            How we strike a balance between free speech and diversity, equity and inclusion is worthy of serious, thoughtful and civil discussion

            tl;dr: “I don’t believe in free speech”

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #26

            @jon-nyc said in Not in my courtroom...:

            How we strike a balance between free speech and diversity, equity and inclusion is worthy of serious, thoughtful and civil discussion

            tl;dr: “I don’t believe in free speech”

            "Define free speech" debate tactic from the left incoming in 3... 2... 1...

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              It can be a serious, thoughtful and civil discussion as long as it’s a quick one:

              Free speech wins, DEI deals with it.

              MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              #27

              @jon-nyc said in Not in my courtroom...:

              It can be a serious, thoughtful and civil discussion as long as it’s a quick one:

              Free speech wins, DEI deals with it.

              This. Forced DEI is a lie.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                #28

                Glenn Loury spoke to two of the students responsible for inviting Duncan to Stanford.

                Among the best points brought up, was that it would be career and social suicide for a cultural conservative student to protest in the same petulant manner, against an invited leftist judge. Meanwhile, it was socially and professionally advantageous for those leftist students to participate in that protest.

                But the Popehats of the world will continue to both-sides-are-equalize, in the face of any such imbalance. He knows which side he needs to self-identify with, for his own personal success, just like the students know. Apes gonna ape.

                Link to video

                Education is extremely important.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #29

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    Money talks, bullshit walks. As long as it was just fun and games, let's shout the judge down. Now, it's narrowing down those prestigious clerking jobs and the howling has begun...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #31

                      Ho's comments:

                      Here’s the good news. This problem should be easy to solve. Most universities already have rules in place ensuring freedom of speech and prohibiting disruptions.
                      The problem is that these rules aren’t enforced. Students disrupt without consequence. Administrators tolerate or even encourage the chaos.
                      It’s not because most students or faculty support these tactics. When I visit law schools, I’m always told it’s just a small fraction of students who practice intolerance. But the majority tolerates it, because faculty members don’t want to be controversial. And students just want to graduate, get a job, and move on with their lives.
                      These three elements are plainly missing at Stanford Law School. Just look at the ten-page letter that was recently issued by the Dean. I know that letter has been praised by some people for standing up for free speech. I don’t share that view.

                      Well, here’s the problem: The words in that letter are not accompanied by concrete actions. Because it imposes zero consequences on anyone. It doesn’t even say whether there will be consequences if there’s a disruption in the future.

                      These problems aren’t unique to one or two schools. But I think it’s obvious why so much attention has focused on one or two schools. It’s because they present themselves as the nation’s best institutions of legal education. Yet they’re the worst when it comes to legal cancellation. Moreover, what happens at these elite schools impacts the profession and the country.

                      It's an interesting talk. He addresses failed leadership at the schools, the lack of consequences for bad behavior and other things.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #32

                        All things that should be even more important to aspiring barristers.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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