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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    I would have thought the term”woke” was more tarnished than this poll indicates.

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-divided-whether-woke-compliment-or-insult

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Catseye3
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      #2

      "Fifty-six percent of Americans say “wokeness” encompasses being informed, educated on, and aware of social injustices."

      As the term is applied in TNCR, I assume it means this reasonable definition is way overapplied, to a stupid or destructive, certainly an extreme, degree. An example being the tearing down of the statues.

      But being woke to injustices that have been disregarded and are now being brought to light without everybody losing their minds and acting foolish is not only a good thing, but essential.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • Catseye3C Catseye3

        "Fifty-six percent of Americans say “wokeness” encompasses being informed, educated on, and aware of social injustices."

        As the term is applied in TNCR, I assume it means this reasonable definition is way overapplied, to a stupid or destructive, certainly an extreme, degree. An example being the tearing down of the statues.

        But being woke to injustices that have been disregarded and are now being brought to light without everybody losing their minds and acting foolish is not only a good thing, but essential.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        #3

        @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

        "Fifty-six percent of Americans say “wokeness”
        But being woke to injustices that have been disregarded

        Like what?

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

          "Fifty-six percent of Americans say “wokeness”
          But being woke to injustices that have been disregarded

          Like what?

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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @Aqua-Letifer

          Yeah, 'injustices' is probably not the best term. More like cruelty from obliviousness, indifference to suffering, "ain't my problem", etc.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            @Aqua-Letifer

            Yeah, 'injustices' is probably not the best term. More like cruelty from obliviousness, indifference to suffering, "ain't my problem", etc.

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            Aqua Letifer
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            @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

            @Aqua-Letifer

            Yeah, 'injustices' is probably not the best term. More like cruelty from obliviousness, indifference to suffering, "ain't my problem", etc.

            Who exactly is doing that?

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

              @Aqua-Letifer

              Yeah, 'injustices' is probably not the best term. More like cruelty from obliviousness, indifference to suffering, "ain't my problem", etc.

              Who exactly is doing that?

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              @Aqua-Letifer

              Get real.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                @Aqua-Letifer

                Get real.

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                Aqua Letifer
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                @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

                @Aqua-Letifer

                Get real.

                Get real yourself, I'm literally fucking asking you. Give me a specific example.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

                  @Aqua-Letifer

                  Get real.

                  Get real yourself, I'm literally fucking asking you. Give me a specific example.

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                  @Aqua-Letifer

                  Years ago, I was walking down the street in downtown DC. I passed a liquor store. A black man was lying facedown on the sidewalk, on the long side of the building, either passed out or dead. Whatever his status, he needed help. I kept on walking. Not my circus, not my clowns. I've always been bothered by that. I should have stopped, gone into the store and advised somebody about the guy.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @Aqua-Letifer

                    Years ago, I was walking down the street in downtown DC. I passed a liquor store. A black man was lying facedown on the sidewalk, on the long side of the building, either passed out or dead. Whatever his status, he needed help. I kept on walking. Not my circus, not my clowns. I've always been bothered by that. I should have stopped, gone into the store and advised somebody about the guy.

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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

                    @Aqua-Letifer

                    Years ago, I was walking down the street in downtown DC. I passed a liquor store. A black man was lying facedown on the sidewalk, on the long side of the building, either passed out or dead. Whatever his status, he needed help. I kept on walking. Not my circus, not my clowns. I've always been bothered by that. I should have stopped, gone into the store and advised somebody about the guy.

                    My mom worked for social services for her career. You'll never meet anyone more committed to the spirit of her job than her. And she'd tell you the following:

                    Sometimes getting involved with a homeless person can really make a difference in their life. Sometimes it can lead to you getting physically hurt very badly because you didn't understand the situation as well as you thought.
                    Sometimes telling someone else about it can finally get them the help they need. It can save a life. Sometimes it leads to them getting arrested and abused in jail, and they'll curse your name for ever trying to "help."

                    Some situations are easy. I had a homeless guy in DC accost me because he wanted a burger. So we went to five guys and we ate some burgers. I felt pretty confident that the guy wasn't insane, on drugs, or aggressive. But it's not always easy. If you're not aware of how terribly complicated those situations can be, then you're not mentally equipped to be of any use to anyone. You're doing yourself, the guy, and the authorities a favor by not injecting yourself into a situation you don't understand.

                    So no, sorry, I wasn't there of course, but based on what you said, I don't think what you did was necessarily racist or even incorrect.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @Aqua-Letifer

                      Years ago, I was walking down the street in downtown DC. I passed a liquor store. A black man was lying facedown on the sidewalk, on the long side of the building, either passed out or dead. Whatever his status, he needed help. I kept on walking. Not my circus, not my clowns. I've always been bothered by that. I should have stopped, gone into the store and advised somebody about the guy.

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                      @Catseye3 said in Kind of surprising:

                      @Aqua-Letifer

                      Years ago, I was walking down the street in downtown DC. I passed a liquor store. A black man was lying facedown on the sidewalk, on the long side of the building, either passed out or dead. Whatever his status, he needed help. I kept on walking. Not my circus, not my clowns. I've always been bothered by that. I should have stopped, gone into the store and advised somebody about the guy.

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