Elon Musk and the CCP
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wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 17:31 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 17:33 last edited by
This is actually an underrated concern.
Hollywood and the NBA pale in comparison.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 17:38 last edited by
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
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I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 17:41 last edited by@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad.
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@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad.
wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 18:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
My point was that the CCP could have its arm up Musk's ass to the elbow, and it would do nothing to put the cat back in the bag about the lab leak.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad
More close to the point is that you have a psychological blind spot regarding the more real and effective deterrents to truth regarding a lab leak. Deterrents to truth that we actually watched in action, and which thankfully have now abated.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 18:17 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
This is actually an underrated concern.
In fairness, you also consider right wing coups-by-legal-technicality to be an underrated concern. Your concerns tend come from a tribal and emotional, rather than a rational, place.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 18:53 last edited by
If you aren't concerned by the possibility that Elon Musk is China's bitch, then you clearly haven't been listening.
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@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
My point was that the CCP could have its arm up Musk's ass to the elbow, and it would do nothing to put the cat back in the bag about the lab leak.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad
More close to the point is that you have a psychological blind spot regarding the more real and effective deterrents to truth regarding a lab leak. Deterrents to truth that we actually watched in action, and which thankfully have now abated.
wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 19:10 last edited by@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
My point was that the CCP could have its arm up Musk's ass to the elbow, and it would do nothing to put the cat back in the bag about the lab leak.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad
More close to the point is that you have a psychological blind spot regarding the more real and effective deterrents to truth regarding a lab leak. Deterrents to truth that we actually watched in action, and which thankfully have now abated.
tl;dr: Horace still has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory. But he would like you to know the left is still bad.
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@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
My point was that the CCP could have its arm up Musk's ass to the elbow, and it would do nothing to put the cat back in the bag about the lab leak.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad
More close to the point is that you have a psychological blind spot regarding the more real and effective deterrents to truth regarding a lab leak. Deterrents to truth that we actually watched in action, and which thankfully have now abated.
tl;dr: Horace still has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory. But he would like you to know the left is still bad.
wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 19:18 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@jon-nyc said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
I assume the CCP understands that nobody, including Elon Musk, will be able to convince the world that it wasn't a lab leak.
We should just be thankful that the American left sees no political advantage anymore to shaming the idea away as a right wing conspiracy theory.
tl;dr: Horace has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory.
My point was that the CCP could have its arm up Musk's ass to the elbow, and it would do nothing to put the cat back in the bag about the lab leak.
But he would like you to know that the left is bad
More close to the point is that you have a psychological blind spot regarding the more real and effective deterrents to truth regarding a lab leak. Deterrents to truth that we actually watched in action, and which thankfully have now abated.
tl;dr: Horace still has no opinion about the influence the CCP has over Musk due to his special arrangement with the worlds largest Tesla factory. But he would like you to know the left is still bad.
Thanks. I look forward to more tl;dr face plants from you in the future. Not that I really need more evidence that you’re not good at understanding the opinions of people not in your tribe.
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If you aren't concerned by the possibility that Elon Musk is China's bitch, then you clearly haven't been listening.
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 14:47 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
If you aren't concerned by the possibility that Elon Musk is China's bitch, then you clearly haven't been listening.
I remember when America's economic dependence on China, which is actually what we're talking about here, was something Trump was concerned about, and thus not a legitimate concern.
Of course I understand China has concerning influence because of that dependence. Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
If you aren't concerned by the possibility that Elon Musk is China's bitch, then you clearly haven't been listening.
I remember when America's economic dependence on China, which is actually what we're talking about here, was something Trump was concerned about, and thus not a legitimate concern.
Of course I understand China has concerning influence because of that dependence. Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 18:35 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2023, 19:07There were plenty of economic security concerns voiced in the US about dependence on China throughout the GWBush Administration. They were squelched out by the more obvious and immediate concerns surrounding Iraq, Afghanistan and Islamic terrorism. More importantly though as far as industry was concerned, doing business in China was profitable and, until very recently, the hope that through economic development and growth the country would democratize was the lodestar for business leaders and politicians. That hope is now understood to have been a delusion.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
If you aren't concerned by the possibility that Elon Musk is China's bitch, then you clearly haven't been listening.
I remember when America's economic dependence on China, which is actually what we're talking about here, was something Trump was concerned about, and thus not a legitimate concern.
Of course I understand China has concerning influence because of that dependence. Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 18:38 last edited by@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
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@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 18:56 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
I’m sure it’s occurred to everybody. People voice their concerns largely through a political filter though. I doubt you were heard agreeing with Trump on the issue. Maybe I’m wrong.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
I’m sure it’s occurred to everybody. People voice their concerns largely through a political filter though. I doubt you were heard agreeing with Trump on the issue. Maybe I’m wrong.
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 19:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes 3 Jan 2023, 19:21@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
I’m sure it’s occurred to everybody. People voice their concerns largely through a political filter though. I doubt you were heard agreeing with Trump on the issue. Maybe I’m wrong.
I didn't disagree with Trump's concerns about China. His approach seemed rather ham-fisted, as was the case with much of his Presidency. "Hey, let's put trade sanctions on them! OK, now let's do it to Europe too! Everybody's a loser except me!"
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@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
@Horace said in Elon Musk and the CCP:
Musk is a famous person who gives a face to that concern, which activates some of us to finally think about it, I suppose.
Yes, the increasing reliance on China never occurred to me as I saw many of my long-term US and European customers close their manufacturing locations and train their Chinese replacements over the last 25 years. It was only Elon Musk that finally woke me up to this existential threat.
I’m sure it’s occurred to everybody. People voice their concerns largely through a political filter though. I doubt you were heard agreeing with Trump on the issue. Maybe I’m wrong.
I didn't disagree with Trump's concerns about China. His approach seemed rather ham-fisted, as was the case with much of his Presidency. "Hey, let's put trade sanctions on them! OK, now let's do it to Europe too! Everybody's a loser except me!"
wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 20:25 last edited byHis approach seemed rather ham-fisted…,”Hey, let's put trade sanctions on them! OK, now let's do it to Europe too! Everybody's a loser except me!"
Ham-fisted is an understatement. Our the Minister of International Trade referred to it as absurd when he slapped tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium because he felt they were a threat to national security. Thankfully it was US manufacturers who induced him to lift the tariffs when it became apparent that domestic supply couldn’t meet the demand and the prices for the commodities began to skyrocket.
Tump proved himself to be an unsurpassed mental midget in most of his international dealings. Clueless is the word.