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[Jolly]

It's not mocking the people who are in charge that's the problem, it's mocking certain groups or ideas.

Uh, maybe you might want to look at what the show is about.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

It's not mocking the people who are in charge that's the problem, it's mocking certain groups or ideas.

Uh, maybe you might want to look at what the show is about.

I don't like listening to Putin fanbois. You can if you like.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

It's not mocking the people who are in charge that's the problem, it's mocking certain groups or ideas.

Uh, maybe you might want to look at what the show is about.

I will not watch that show. What he has said about the Russian invasion of Ukraine is beyond the pale. And then he has the freaking gall to accuse the US of being a tyranny.

Moral bankruptcy pays real well, apparently.

[Jolly]

I'll listen to most anybody. May not agree, but I'll listen, at least for awhile.

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

I may not entirely agree with people who are not in favor of supporting Ukraine, but they are not evil nor are they idiots for their views.

And something interesting is happening...The polls show a lessening of support for Ukraine. Are all those Americans Putin fanbois?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

And something interesting is happening...The polls show a lessening of support for Ukraine. Are all those Americans Putin fanbois?

Presumably that was what he was hoping would happen when he described Putin as 'defending traditional Christian values'.

[Jolly]

Most of those people in that poll have probably never watched Tucker.

I guess they're all fucking cunts, eh?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

I guess they're all fucking cunts, eh?

No, they're not saying what he said. Being wrong doesn't make him a cunt. He's been very dishonest in his messaging, and I'm left with the unavoidable conclusion that he has a hidden agenda. I can't imagine he'd actually need to take money of the Russians, so we're left wondering what it is.

Or maybe he's just being a contrarian and using this as a crowbar to lever at Biden. Which would just be stupid.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

Judas wasn't a psychopath. Petty thief, yes. But there are varying thoughts on why Judas betrayed Jesus, including some who think he was swayed by the arguments of the Sanhedrin.

I think it would be fascinating to have coffee with him...

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

Judas wasn't a psychopath. Petty thief, yes. But there are varying thoughts on why Judas betrayed Jesus, including some who think he was swayed by the arguments of the Sanhedrin.

I think it would be fascinating to have coffee with him...

I think so, too, but the difference is that we all know who and what he is. We're not starting from a standpoint of, "well, Judas and I voted the same, so maybe he was right about that whole 'Christ' misunderstanding..."

There are plenty of other people out there who bring up the relevant issues Tucker does without calling Putin a defender of Christian values. So yeah, he can go fuck himself and I'll listen to those other people instead.

[Horace]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

Judas wasn't a psychopath. Petty thief, yes. But there are varying thoughts on why Judas betrayed Jesus, including some who think he was swayed by the arguments of the Sanhedrin.

I think it would be fascinating to have coffee with him...

I think so, too, but the difference is that we all know who and what he is. We're not starting from a standpoint of, "well, Judas and I voted the same, so maybe he was right about that whole 'Christ' misunderstanding..."

There are plenty of other people out there who bring up the relevant issues Tucker does without calling Putin a defender of Christian values. So yeah, he can go fuck himself and I'll listen to those other people instead.

Do you have a link for where he said that? It seems to have made a mark on you that he said it, so I'd like to hear it for myself in context. A google search didn't turn it up.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

Judas wasn't a psychopath. Petty thief, yes. But there are varying thoughts on why Judas betrayed Jesus, including some who think he was swayed by the arguments of the Sanhedrin.

I think it would be fascinating to have coffee with him...

I think so, too, but the difference is that we all know who and what he is. We're not starting from a standpoint of, "well, Judas and I voted the same, so maybe he was right about that whole 'Christ' misunderstanding..."

There are plenty of other people out there who bring up the relevant issues Tucker does without calling Putin a defender of Christian values. So yeah, he can go fuck himself and I'll listen to those other people instead.

Do you have a link for where he said that? It seems to have made a mark on you that he said it, so I'd like to hear it for myself in context. A google search didn't turn it up.

I don't. Phibes might but I've got nothing.

Anyway, I don't have to like the guy and I'm under no obligation to listen to him. If that makes me narrow-minded that's hilarious.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

And something interesting is happening...The polls show a lessening of support for Ukraine. Are all those Americans Putin fanbois?

Probably not because they have no idea or, for that matter, any desire to investigate, why the Western world has coalesced in support of Ukraine against Putin.

On the other hand, some are definitely Putin fanbois. I have met and engaged with some here. Others may simply feel that the current US geriatric POTUS and his administration should not involve the country in a conflict in Europe. I suspect that there are a few in this den forum of iniquity that see it in that light. That is their choice. While I don’t agree with it, I can understand their partisan fear.

[Horace]

Tulsi and Jordan Peterson had a conversation that touched on this. Mostly they ended up talking about why Americans who question the war, get marginalized and dismissed by the mainstream.

Link to video

Of course nobody here would ever jump to any conclusions about a person who questions the war. But unfortunately that attitude does exist elsewhere in American culture.

[Horace]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Horace said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Jolly said in Tucker talks comedy...:

As for Putin...Even Jordan Peterson says that Putin is not a psychopath. I don't like him, but I don't think he's the next Hitler.

He doesn't need to be a psychopath. Judas Iscariot wasn't a psychopath either. Let's invite him round for tea and crumpets!

Judas wasn't a psychopath. Petty thief, yes. But there are varying thoughts on why Judas betrayed Jesus, including some who think he was swayed by the arguments of the Sanhedrin.

I think it would be fascinating to have coffee with him...

I think so, too, but the difference is that we all know who and what he is. We're not starting from a standpoint of, "well, Judas and I voted the same, so maybe he was right about that whole 'Christ' misunderstanding..."

There are plenty of other people out there who bring up the relevant issues Tucker does without calling Putin a defender of Christian values. So yeah, he can go fuck himself and I'll listen to those other people instead.

Do you have a link for where he said that? It seems to have made a mark on you that he said it, so I'd like to hear it for myself in context. A google search didn't turn it up.

I don't. Phibes might but I've got nothing.

Anyway, I don't have to like the guy and I'm under no obligation to listen to him. If that makes me narrow-minded that's hilarious.

I think he makes good points on occasion. Or even usually. It's not too difficult to make good points on the right. That's where all the taboo truths reside.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in Tucker talks comedy...:

Tulsi and Jordan Peterson had a conversation that touched on this. Mostly they ended up talking about why Americans who question the war, get marginalized and dismissed by the mainstream.

Link to video

Of course nobody here would ever jump to any conclusions about a person who questions the war. But unfortunately that attitude does exist elsewhere in American culture.

I watched it already. I don't mind questioning the war, but how someone does it will directly influence whether or not I listen to them.

[Renauda]

@Horace

Actually I would question both Peterson and Gabbard about their understanding and musings on social media and TV media of the war in Ukraine. Both have made clear that they subscribe to realist school of foreign policy as espoused by John Mearsheimer. Good for them, but I wholly disagree with Mearsheimer’s analysis.

Perhaps you can offer us what you personally have gleaned from their trenchant analyses?

[Horace]

@Renauda said in Tucker talks comedy...:

@Horace

Actually I would question both Peterson and Gabbard about their understanding and musings on social media and TV media of the war in Ukraine. Both have made clear that they subscribe to realist school of foreign policy as espoused by John Mearsheimer. Good for them, but I wholly disagree with Mearsheimer’s analysis.

Perhaps you can offer us what you personally have gleaned from their trenchant analyses?

Like I said, they mostly lament that you can't really have a conversation about the war without the mainstream dismissing you if you question US involvement. They lament the absence of clear goals and clear definitions of winning or losing. Peterson worries that a Putin replacement will not so much as probably be better than Putin for Western interests, and a balkanization of Russia into fiefdoms, many of which with nukes, would be a far greater disaster than what we have currently. Peterson wonders whether the war suits the military industrial complex and its profit motive, citing Eisenhower's warnings about such 70 years ago. Peterson does most of the talking and opining, with Gabbard remaining cagy and abstract, as her political aspirations would demand.

[Renauda]

@Horace

Like I said, they mostly lament that you can't really have a conversation about the war without the mainstream dismissing you if you question US involvement.

Depends on what aspect of US involvement. At this stage no one is questioning why the US and NATO are not more directly involved. The effort is to contain Russian forces in Ukraine and force the Kremlin to cease hostilities and withdraw through military means. Until that happens there is no chance for diplomacy to attempt a resolution. Putin is determined to reclaim the Russian empire one piece at a time.

They lament the absence of clear goals and clear definitions of winning or losing.

I don’t know why since the goal is for Russia to cease its aggression and withdraw to the 2014 borders.

Peterson worries that a Putin replacement will not so much as probably be better than Putin for Western interests, and a balkanization of Russia into fiefdoms, many of which with nukes, would be a far greater disaster than what we have currently.

He can worry all he wants. What comes after Putin is beyond anyone’s control. Appeasing Putin over Ukraine now will only foster more malevolence towards the West.

Peterson wonders whether the war suits the military industrial complex and its profit motive, citing Eisenhower's warnings about such 70 years ago.

Ironic but that concern is what I hear coming from the very vocal pro Putin leftists. The same ones who have not woken up to the reality that Putin’s Russia is not any way a workers’ state. He probably shares that with AOC and other DNC progressives.

As for Gabbard, I agree she has become an opportunist media whore.

[Doctor Phibes]

Surely, compared to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan this is pocket change.

Suddenly conservatives are worried about the military industrial complex?

Well, in truth JP isn't really a conservative, he's just been painted that way since he doesn't go along with the woke brigade.