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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 17:01 last edited by
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    Only non-witches get due process.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:40 last edited by
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      Much of his feed is wishful thinking.

      There are definitely places where EV's can work. Much of Europe, bigger metro areas in the U.S. and around the world.

      1. If we have a grid that can handle them.
      2. If they are used appropriately.

      They ain't working in other places. The Gulf South with hurricane evacuations and days without electricity. West Texas and much of the West, where a 500 mile drive is just considered a day jaunt.

      And we are already seeing where windmill farms and large solar arrays may not be all we thought they would be, from a maintenance and longevity standpoint, not to mention environmental impact.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        kluurs
        wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:51 last edited by
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        As Jolly notes, great if one is driving to work and back every day - and have a clear, defined trajectory of when and where the charging will occur. OTOH, that doesn't work well with the message auto makers have sold to America over the last 100 years - "go out and see the USA in your Chevrolet."

        I think the hydrogen fuel cell approach or at least the dual/fuel strategy probably work better.

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          George K
          wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:51 last edited by
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          And you know, lithium and cobalt don't grow on trees...

          Link to video

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • K kluurs
            7 Feb 2023, 18:51

            As Jolly notes, great if one is driving to work and back every day - and have a clear, defined trajectory of when and where the charging will occur. OTOH, that doesn't work well with the message auto makers have sold to America over the last 100 years - "go out and see the USA in your Chevrolet."

            I think the hydrogen fuel cell approach or at least the dual/fuel strategy probably work better.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:52 last edited by
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            @kluurs Hydrogen fuel cell is just another battery technology, properly understood.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • K kluurs
              7 Feb 2023, 18:51

              As Jolly notes, great if one is driving to work and back every day - and have a clear, defined trajectory of when and where the charging will occur. OTOH, that doesn't work well with the message auto makers have sold to America over the last 100 years - "go out and see the USA in your Chevrolet."

              I think the hydrogen fuel cell approach or at least the dual/fuel strategy probably work better.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:54 last edited by
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              @kluurs said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

              As Jolly notes, great if one is driving to work and back every day - and have a clear, defined trajectory of when and where the charging will occur. OTOH, that doesn't work well with the message auto makers have sold to America over the last 100 years - "go out and see the USA in your Chevrolet."

              I think the hydrogen fuel cell approach or at least the dual/fuel strategy probably work better.

              Right now, hybrid is the best bridge we have. They do work with our existing infrastructure and they can help stretch the fossil fuels we do have.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Jolly
                wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 18:55 last edited by
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                Right now, I'm also a little worried about copper production in the future...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • G George K
                  7 Feb 2023, 18:51

                  And you know, lithium and cobalt don't grow on trees...

                  Link to video

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 19:42 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

                  And you know, lithium and cobalt don't grow on trees...

                  The global lithium supply is more than enough to supply our EVs for at least 2 more years.

                  After that someone will invent something even better.

                  Don't worry about it.

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                    7 Feb 2023, 18:55

                    Right now, I'm also a little worried about copper production in the future...

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 21:07 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

                    Right now, I'm also a little worried about copper production in the future...

                    He’s spending A LOT of time at the golf course…

                    The Brad

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      7 Feb 2023, 21:07

                      @Jolly said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

                      Right now, I'm also a little worried about copper production in the future...

                      He’s spending A LOT of time at the golf course…

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 7 Feb 2023, 21:22 last edited by
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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

                      @Jolly said in Interesting thread on the state of the EV market:

                      Right now, I'm also a little worried about copper production in the future...

                      He’s spending A LOT of time at the golf course…

                      That doesn't count as production?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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