Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped
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Protest peacefully. Can't get any clearer than that.
So, after we brush the TDS aside, what are we left with? We're left with a security failure on multiple levels, from Pelosi's refusal to accept troops, to the Capitol Police being caught unaware, to the FBI not forwarding what it knew, even down to architectural details just mentioned.
Recently, there have been some more allegations that certain FBI informants may have whipped up the crowd.
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
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@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
I was only joking
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@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election.
So, you still think he lost the election?
It is time to get over it.
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@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated. So did (and still do) a lot of other people. He was trying every legal option he had, including some very untrodden paths.
But at the end of the day, it's still a peaceful transfer of power, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, not to mention the wrending of cloth.
And hey, who says you won't see it again. It's the economy, stupid.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
You're not emotionally entangled into a perspective where you find joy in watching the GOP embarrass itself. For all the faults of 'both sides are equal' framing, your disdain for both sides seems at least honestly balanced.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Horace said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
The January 6 committee did a lousy job. But, it was never meant to be a fact-finding committee that actually fixed anything, was it?
There really does not exist a single person with TDS who isn't glad January 6 happened.
I remember people telling me I was delusional for saying he would try to hold onto power even if he lost the election. Admittedly, I did underestimate how grossly inept he would be in his attempt.
Not sure I'd say I was glad about 1/6. I actually found the entire episode enormously depressing.
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated. So did (and still do) a lot of other people. He was trying every legal option he had, including some very untrodden paths.
But at the end of the day, it's still a peaceful transfer of power, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, not to mention the wrending of cloth.
And hey, who says you won't see it again. It's the economy, stupid.
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated.
Yeah, and he describes himself as a very stable genius, and the healthiest man to ever hold the Presidency in the history of the country.
Tell me again, who's delusional?
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@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated.
Yeah, and he describes himself as a very stable genius, and the healthiest man to ever hold the Presidency in the history of the country.
Tell me again, who's delusional?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated.
Yeah, and he describes himself as a very stable genius, and the healthiest man to ever hold the Presidency in the history of the country.
Tell me again, who's delusional?
Cherry picking.
A lot of damn stable people thought that election stunk.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
Here's the problem...Trump thought he had been cheated.
Yeah, and he describes himself as a very stable genius, and the healthiest man to ever hold the Presidency in the history of the country.
Tell me again, who's delusional?
Cherry picking.
A lot of damn stable people thought that election stunk.
@Jolly said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
A lot of damn stable people thought that election stunk.
They wouldn't have thought so if fatso hadn't tried to undermine the electoral process with totally unsubstantiated claims of fraud.
The election was no better or worse than any other US Presidential election.
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WTF do you know, Britboy?
American elections have absolutely stunk in the past. Kennedy-Nixon comes to mind, just off the top of my head.
The 2020 election featured ballot harvesting, illegals voting, mail-in ballots with nobody living at that address and a host of other anomalies. Not to mention the rigging of the election, with known media Russia! lies, to the FBI sitting on Hunter's laptop for a year.
Trump had good reason to be angry.
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WTF do you know, Britboy?
American elections have absolutely stunk in the past. Kennedy-Nixon comes to mind, just off the top of my head.
The 2020 election featured ballot harvesting, illegals voting, mail-in ballots with nobody living at that address and a host of other anomalies. Not to mention the rigging of the election, with known media Russia! lies, to the FBI sitting on Hunter's laptop for a year.
Trump had good reason to be angry.
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Funny how we're just hearing about the steps that FBI and other agencies DIDN'T take to prevent the riot on Jan 6th. Also funny how we didn't hear about THIS conclusion from the Jan 6th committee. It's almost as though there might have been information that they didn't want to make public.
From that RWEC, NBC:
The House Jan. 6 committee concluded that the FBI and other federal security agencies could have prevented a violent mob from overrunning the Capitol had they acted on the large volume of intelligence collected beforehand, the chief investigator told NBC News in an exclusive interview — a judgment the committee left out of its televised hearings and final report.
Former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy, the committee’s chief investigative counsel, said that while he endorses the panel’s main finding that then-President Donald Trump sparked the riot by urging protesters to go to the Capitol, his probe documented how federal law enforcement failures contributed to the debacle.
Trump “was the proximate cause. But for his words, and deeds, it wouldn’t have happened,” said Heaphy, who led many of the key witness interviews conducted by the committee. “That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence.”
He added, “Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence.”
Committee investigators found that the Capitol was inadequately defended on Jan. 6 not because of an intelligence failure, Heaphy said, but because of a failure to act on intelligence showing that extremists intended to come to Washington and use violence to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s election victory.
“There was a lot of advance intelligence about law enforcement, about carrying weapons, about the vulnerability of the Capitol,” he said. “The intel in advance was pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for law enforcement to have done a better job.”
While many lawmakers and outside experts have reached that conclusion, it hasn’t been previously reported that the most comprehensive investigation into the Capitol riot did so, too. It’s also notable that the lawmakers on the committee chose to downplay — and in some cases contradict — that finding.
@George-K said in Jan 6 committee: It could have been stopped:
Funny how we're just hearing about the steps that FBI and other agencies DIDN'T take to prevent the riot on Jan 6th. Also funny how we didn't hear about THIS conclusion from the Jan 6th committee. It's almost as though there might have been information that they didn't want to make public.
From that RWEC, NBC:
The House Jan. 6 committee concluded that the FBI and other federal security agencies could have prevented a violent mob from overrunning the Capitol had they acted on the large volume of intelligence collected beforehand, the chief investigator told NBC News in an exclusive interview — a judgment the committee left out of its televised hearings and final report.
Former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy, the committee’s chief investigative counsel, said that while he endorses the panel’s main finding that then-President Donald Trump sparked the riot by urging protesters to go to the Capitol, his probe documented how federal law enforcement failures contributed to the debacle.
Trump “was the proximate cause. But for his words, and deeds, it wouldn’t have happened,” said Heaphy, who led many of the key witness interviews conducted by the committee. “That said, what happened at the Capitol was also affected by law enforcement failures to operationalize the ample intelligence that was present before Jan. 6, about the threats of violence.”
He added, “Law enforcement had a very direct role in contributing to the security failures that led to the violence.”
Committee investigators found that the Capitol was inadequately defended on Jan. 6 not because of an intelligence failure, Heaphy said, but because of a failure to act on intelligence showing that extremists intended to come to Washington and use violence to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s election victory.
“There was a lot of advance intelligence about law enforcement, about carrying weapons, about the vulnerability of the Capitol,” he said. “The intel in advance was pretty specific, and it was enough, in our view, for law enforcement to have done a better job.”
While many lawmakers and outside experts have reached that conclusion, it hasn’t been previously reported that the most comprehensive investigation into the Capitol riot did so, too. It’s also notable that the lawmakers on the committee chose to downplay — and in some cases contradict — that finding.
From the beginning, I've noted the absence of analysis about the lack of security.
It's not that this absence is so worrisome in itself. It's just that it is proof of the transparent bias in the reaction. The TDS left couldn't have made more obvious, the joy they took in January 6, and the disingenuous posturing of their faux-solemn reactions.
