Tyre Nichols police beating/murder

[Horace]

As soon as the statistics reveal a correlation with skin color, the science stops and the narrative begins. There is no way to study culture disentangled from skin color, when the social sciences and faux intellectuals in the CRT movement only think until a correlation with skin color is revealed, and then immediately stop thinking, as the narrative takes it from there.

but intelligent black people do regularly discuss the culture issues. Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, and lots of lesser known people with black skin, will be able to discuss this stuff rationally. No white person can, as they are defined by the narrative as perpetually and inescapably ignorant. The white people in control of the black voices who are heard, are some combination of True Believers and social climbers. (One correlates with the other, and are hopelessly entangled anyway. Humans are systematically, predictably, and blindly irrational, in service of the advancement of their status.)

[Mik]

@Renauda said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

@George-K said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

@taiwan_girl said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

I was amazed that the #1 reason for dying by black males 18-29 is gun violence. @Mik is correct. Violence for some is a first resort rather than a last resort.
So, for me, changing the culture is the #1 things that needs to be done. Don't know how to do it, but it needs to be done.

Has it always been thus? I don't think so.

If not, what societal change occurred at the time of the rise of this violence and culture?

Not sure about that, George. Listen to the lyrics of some the old country blues classics from the 1930s or earlier. Plenty of references to shooting’ the old lady or old man for messing around. Likewise jazz and early country music references to violence and death connected to prostitution, gambling, gangs, booze and heroin - for example Cab Calloway’s and Jimmie Roger’s versions of St James Infirmary during the ‘30s.

Indeed. Just read Manchild in the Promised Land. Violence was simply expected and if you didn’t fight you weren’t a man.

[Rainman]

No fathers in a stable family, son's never knowing their father. Maybe that's too obvious?

[George K]

@Rainman said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

No fathers in a stable family, son's never knowing their father. Maybe that's too obvious?

That's what I was getting at - not the music, but the lack of family structure.

[Copper]

Yes, when you have a father that comes home every night it makes a big difference.

Look at the Huxtable family, for example.

[Horace]

Similar to the god-shaped hole in the lives of those who sneer at religion, you need to worry about what rushes in to fill the gap of the father-shaped hole in those who grow up without one. I saw one stat that in an inner city, 25% of the adult males a kid interacts with, have been to prison.

[xenon]

One of the saddest stories was from my life-long Chicagoan friend.

He volunteered in a rough neighborhood to be a Bug Brother.

Meets this bright young kid. Probably 10. Eager to please type personality.

The kid told my friend that when he grows up, he’s gonna kill a cop so the other cops will respect him enough to let him join.

He truly believed that and thought he was saying a good thing.

[Renauda]

@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

@Renauda said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

@George-K said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

@taiwan_girl said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:

I was amazed that the #1 reason for dying by black males 18-29 is gun violence. @Mik is correct. Violence for some is a first resort rather than a last resort.
So, for me, changing the culture is the #1 things that needs to be done. Don't know how to do it, but it needs to be done.

Has it always been thus? I don't think so.

If not, what societal change occurred at the time of the rise of this violence and culture?

Not sure about that, George. Listen to the lyrics of some the old country blues classics from the 1930s or earlier. Plenty of references to shooting’ the old lady or old man for messing around. Likewise jazz and early country music references to violence and death connected to prostitution, gambling, gangs, booze and heroin - for example Cab Calloway’s and Jimmie Roger’s versions of St James Infirmary during the ‘30s.

Indeed. Just read Manchild in the Promised Land. Violence was simply expected and if you didn’t fight you weren’t a man.

That makes me think what one of greatest jazz clarinetists and band leader/musician, the late Artie Shaw, said about being a teen and making choices on the mean streets during the 1920s:

https://www.arts.gov/sites/default/files/jazz-moments/XM-082.mp3

[Horace]

New Netflix Series On Tyre Nichols Beating To Feature White Officers

[Jolly]

Heard a couple of black cops interviewed on the radio.

Their take?

Cops are taught to stay one step ahead on the aggression curve, trying to negate the threat. They are also people, who get amped up by high speed chase, foot chases and wrestling with a suspect.

Both cops agreed that you are taught to never, ever, never kick or strike a person in the head. Actually, they agreed you shouldn't kick a suspect. Blows with a baton or ASP are ok to use on a fighting suspect, but strikes should be confined to muscles, the more muscular the area, the better.

Both thought some of the post arrest banter was pure stupid.

Something else was brought out...If these cops normally worked this shift together, it leads to a group mentality of us against the world, on steroids. To combat this, you need good shift supervision and an occasional rotation of shift members.

So...

1. Adrenaline rush.
2. Bad training or bad adherence to training.
3. Bad group mentality

Both cops stated this was not a response based on race.