Tyre Nichols police beating/murder
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Someone is claiming that Nichols was grabbing for one of the cop's gun. That will likely be their defenses strategy.
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Someone is claiming that Nichols was grabbing for one of the cop's gun. That will likely be their defenses strategy.
@George-K said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
Someone is claiming that Nichols was grabbing for one of the cop's gun. That will likely be their defenses strategy.
Haven’t watched the video, but you aren’t restraining someone by beating the crap out of them.
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Because basketball players have a special insight into this beating.
Memphis Grizzlies coach Taylor Jenkins watched a televised interview Friday of Tyre Nichols' mother speaking about the loss of her son and he lost control of his emotions.
"I cried," Jenkins said.
The outrage, frustration, sadness and anger was evident around the basketball world Friday, the day a video was released showing how Nichols, a 29-year-old father, was killed by five Memphis police officers. The NBA, WNBA and several teams released statements of support for the family, as did the players' unions.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35541184/grizzlies-other-nba-teams-speak-tyre-nichols-death
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The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
The Brad
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@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country/
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@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
https://www.safalta.com/blog/top-10-most-powerful-countries-in-the-world
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United States of America
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China
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Russia
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India
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Japan
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Germany
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United Kingdom
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France
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South Korea
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Italy
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I disagree. The genesis of this originated in the culture these guys grew up in - all of them.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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I disagree. The genesis of this originated in the culture these guys grew up in - all of them.
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I disagree. The genesis of this originated in the culture these guys grew up in - all of them.
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@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above) are raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above) are raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.
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On the actual subject of a young man actually dying after being actually beat up, I an not clear on the mechanism of beating to death. Three days elapsed in the hospital where he died, but they are remaining silent on the cause of death. I wonder if the connection between the beating and the death is not entirely obvious. I am sure if you polled the cops and EMT at the time, they would all have been under the impression that he'd be fine, if bruised and sore. It does go to show, every time you hit someone in anger and not in clear cut self defense, you better hope you do no real damage. Criminal and civil liability doesn't depend so much on your act, but the damage your act does. You best hope you hit a strong and healthy person, capable of absorbing your punishment.
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On the actual subject of a young man actually dying after being actually beat up, I an not clear on the mechanism of beating to death. Three days elapsed in the hospital where he died, but they are remaining silent on the cause of death. I wonder if the connection between the beating and the death is not entirely obvious. I am sure if you polled the cops and EMT at the time, they would all have been under the impression that he'd be fine, if bruised and sore. It does go to show, every time you hit someone in anger and not in clear cut self defense, you better hope you do no real damage. Criminal and civil liability doesn't depend so much on your act, but the damage your act does. You best hope you hit a strong and healthy person, capable of absorbing your punishment.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-we-know-tyre-nichols-death-investigation-into-the-officers-allegedly-responsible/#:~:text=Rodney Wells%2C Nichols'%20stepfather%2C,a%20beating%20by%20the%20officers.&text=Attorneys%20for%20the%20family%20said,caused%20by%20a%20severe%20beating.%22
Rodney Wells, Nichols' stepfather, told CBS affiliate WREG-TV his stepson suffered a cardiac arrest and kidney failure because of a beating by the officers.
Attorneys for the family said that an independent autopsy they commissioned found that Nichols suffered "extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating."
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@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above) are raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.
@Jolly said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above)THE POORare raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.Jolly accidentally came close to getting it right.
Except possibly for 1-2 of you, I don't think most of you really get or understand what it means to grow up dirt poor. I think maybe Jolly grew up a little poorer, but it was a different type of poor. Rural poor is very different from Urban poor.
I've seen my brother have the shit kicked out of him by 3 cops. As bad as this guy, possibly worse, though he obviously didn't die. They used the clubs on him after he was handcuffed. I watched my aunt pick up my cousin's teeth that were knocked out during one of his arrests. His nose was broken and he had a concussion as well. I've seen two other cousins get beat down by the cops, but their cases weren't as egregious as the other cousin's and my brother's. The cops in our town were white. Obviously, my brother was white (cousin, too). Race had absoluely nothing to do with it. It had everything to do with it being the fvcking Prentices again... In all fairness, my cousin did throw a punch. My brother didn't. He had just taken them for a merry chase three different times. Why did he run? Because he knew he would catch a beating even if he gave himself up willingly... It's just the way it was. The hell of the thing about it? Most of the times my brother, cousins and their friends had problems with the police, they hadn't been involved with whatever the police came calling about. Don't get me wrong, they pulled plenty of crap, but the cops just started assuming that it was the fvcking Prentices anytime anything happened. That kind of crap happens enough and eventually, they do start becoming violent. My Dad was able to pull my brother out of the cycle, and I was far enough removed in age from them and too good at school to get clumped in.
So here's my overall point. Young men of any class can and will get in trouble (just look at @Mik ), but it's generally going to be poorer kids that are going to get in deeper and more dangerous trouble, and more often. They are going to be more likely to get into drugs, they are more likely to get into alcohol. They also have a tendency to glorify and revel in violence a little more. They're angry. They're trapped. They do have more to fear from a traffic stop. Sometimes deservedly so, a lot of times not. The police have a tendency on focusing on the poor more, because that's where the problems occur most often. It becomes a cycle that gets just a little worse each time.
We heard about this case because the kid died, but I would bet quite a lot that similar incidents happened hundreds, hell thousands of times that very weekend across the country. Black kids got beat, white kids got beat, Hispanics, Asians... The most common thread I bet would be that they were poor.
I'm not having an easy time explaining my thoughts and experiences and turning them into a coherent argument. I'm trying to write this at work and there have been countless interruptions and disruptions, and I'm not very good at putting my thoughts onto a screen anyway. I'm just trying to say that what often gets blamed on race is normally a result of economics. It just happens that a much larger percentage of blacks are poor, and their "poor culture" has become more representational. However, to them, the biggest glaring difference they see in the disparity of treatment is skin color and they assume that's the reason. They don't look at the poor white people that are going through the same struggles. This (by the way) creates animosity in the poor white community, whose same struggles don't get the attention and offers of assistance that the black community does. So their anger starts actually developing a racial element and the next thing you know you have genuine racial strife.
This also speaks back to something that Jon had posted a few days about Rural Anger. I think the author of that article missed the boat. It's not rural, it's class. It's the poor, whether urban or rural, that's driving a lot of this anger. Unfortunately, much of it is misplaced, but it's very real.
The Brad
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Thanks for that story LD. One of the most important ways in which the race narrative is disingenuous, is that the statistics underlying it indicate that wealth is the primary variable rather than skin color. That's widely understood by the social scientists in a position to know, but of course they never utter it out loud.
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@Jolly said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above)THE POORare raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.Jolly accidentally came close to getting it right.
Except possibly for 1-2 of you, I don't think most of you really get or understand what it means to grow up dirt poor. I think maybe Jolly grew up a little poorer, but it was a different type of poor. Rural poor is very different from Urban poor.
I've seen my brother have the shit kicked out of him by 3 cops. As bad as this guy, possibly worse, though he obviously didn't die. They used the clubs on him after he was handcuffed. I watched my aunt pick up my cousin's teeth that were knocked out during one of his arrests. His nose was broken and he had a concussion as well. I've seen two other cousins get beat down by the cops, but their cases weren't as egregious as the other cousin's and my brother's. The cops in our town were white. Obviously, my brother was white (cousin, too). Race had absoluely nothing to do with it. It had everything to do with it being the fvcking Prentices again... In all fairness, my cousin did throw a punch. My brother didn't. He had just taken them for a merry chase three different times. Why did he run? Because he knew he would catch a beating even if he gave himself up willingly... It's just the way it was. The hell of the thing about it? Most of the times my brother, cousins and their friends had problems with the police, they hadn't been involved with whatever the police came calling about. Don't get me wrong, they pulled plenty of crap, but the cops just started assuming that it was the fvcking Prentices anytime anything happened. That kind of crap happens enough and eventually, they do start becoming violent. My Dad was able to pull my brother out of the cycle, and I was far enough removed in age from them and too good at school to get clumped in.
So here's my overall point. Young men of any class can and will get in trouble (just look at @Mik ), but it's generally going to be poorer kids that are going to get in deeper and more dangerous trouble, and more often. They are going to be more likely to get into drugs, they are more likely to get into alcohol. They also have a tendency to glorify and revel in violence a little more. They're angry. They're trapped. They do have more to fear from a traffic stop. Sometimes deservedly so, a lot of times not. The police have a tendency on focusing on the poor more, because that's where the problems occur most often. It becomes a cycle that gets just a little worse each time.
We heard about this case because the kid died, but I would bet quite a lot that similar incidents happened hundreds, hell thousands of times that very weekend across the country. Black kids got beat, white kids got beat, Hispanics, Asians... The most common thread I bet would be that they were poor.
I'm not having an easy time explaining my thoughts and experiences and turning them into a coherent argument. I'm trying to write this at work and there have been countless interruptions and disruptions, and I'm not very good at putting my thoughts onto a screen anyway. I'm just trying to say that what often gets blamed on race is normally a result of economics. It just happens that a much larger percentage of blacks are poor, and their "poor culture" has become more representational. However, to them, the biggest glaring difference they see in the disparity of treatment is skin color and they assume that's the reason. They don't look at the poor white people that are going through the same struggles. This (by the way) creates animosity in the poor white community, whose same struggles don't get the attention and offers of assistance that the black community does. So their anger starts actually developing a racial element and the next thing you know you have genuine racial strife.
This also speaks back to something that Jon had posted a few days about Rural Anger. I think the author of that article missed the boat. It's not rural, it's class. It's the poor, whether urban or rural, that's driving a lot of this anger. Unfortunately, much of it is misplaced, but it's very real.
@LuFins-Dad LF'sD, that had to be a difficult thing to write, and you did it well. Thank you. I think you're right, and it's the broader view, which requires removing race as the primary factor.
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@Jolly said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above)THE POORare raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.Jolly accidentally came close to getting it right.
Except possibly for 1-2 of you, I don't think most of you really get or understand what it means to grow up dirt poor. I think maybe Jolly grew up a little poorer, but it was a different type of poor. Rural poor is very different from Urban poor.
I've seen my brother have the shit kicked out of him by 3 cops. As bad as this guy, possibly worse, though he obviously didn't die. They used the clubs on him after he was handcuffed. I watched my aunt pick up my cousin's teeth that were knocked out during one of his arrests. His nose was broken and he had a concussion as well. I've seen two other cousins get beat down by the cops, but their cases weren't as egregious as the other cousin's and my brother's. The cops in our town were white. Obviously, my brother was white (cousin, too). Race had absoluely nothing to do with it. It had everything to do with it being the fvcking Prentices again... In all fairness, my cousin did throw a punch. My brother didn't. He had just taken them for a merry chase three different times. Why did he run? Because he knew he would catch a beating even if he gave himself up willingly... It's just the way it was. The hell of the thing about it? Most of the times my brother, cousins and their friends had problems with the police, they hadn't been involved with whatever the police came calling about. Don't get me wrong, they pulled plenty of crap, but the cops just started assuming that it was the fvcking Prentices anytime anything happened. That kind of crap happens enough and eventually, they do start becoming violent. My Dad was able to pull my brother out of the cycle, and I was far enough removed in age from them and too good at school to get clumped in.
So here's my overall point. Young men of any class can and will get in trouble (just look at @Mik ), but it's generally going to be poorer kids that are going to get in deeper and more dangerous trouble, and more often. They are going to be more likely to get into drugs, they are more likely to get into alcohol. They also have a tendency to glorify and revel in violence a little more. They're angry. They're trapped. They do have more to fear from a traffic stop. Sometimes deservedly so, a lot of times not. The police have a tendency on focusing on the poor more, because that's where the problems occur most often. It becomes a cycle that gets just a little worse each time.
We heard about this case because the kid died, but I would bet quite a lot that similar incidents happened hundreds, hell thousands of times that very weekend across the country. Black kids got beat, white kids got beat, Hispanics, Asians... The most common thread I bet would be that they were poor.
I'm not having an easy time explaining my thoughts and experiences and turning them into a coherent argument. I'm trying to write this at work and there have been countless interruptions and disruptions, and I'm not very good at putting my thoughts onto a screen anyway. I'm just trying to say that what often gets blamed on race is normally a result of economics. It just happens that a much larger percentage of blacks are poor, and their "poor culture" has become more representational. However, to them, the biggest glaring difference they see in the disparity of treatment is skin color and they assume that's the reason. They don't look at the poor white people that are going through the same struggles. This (by the way) creates animosity in the poor white community, whose same struggles don't get the attention and offers of assistance that the black community does. So their anger starts actually developing a racial element and the next thing you know you have genuine racial strife.
This also speaks back to something that Jon had posted a few days about Rural Anger. I think the author of that article missed the boat. It's not rural, it's class. It's the poor, whether urban or rural, that's driving a lot of this anger. Unfortunately, much of it is misplaced, but it's very real.
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Jolly said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
@Mik said in Tyre Nichols police beating/murder:
The question to ask is who has the prevalent culture of violence.
Not at all. This isn’t about race. It’s about class and it’s about power.
Nah, Mik was right.
Young blacks (unless they are middle class and above)THE POORare raised in a very violent culture. That can hang with them for the rest of their life.Jolly accidentally came close to getting it right.
Except possibly for 1-2 of you, I don't think most of you really get or understand what it means to grow up dirt poor. I think maybe Jolly grew up a little poorer, but it was a different type of poor. Rural poor is very different from Urban poor.
I've seen my brother have the shit kicked out of him by 3 cops. As bad as this guy, possibly worse, though he obviously didn't die. They used the clubs on him after he was handcuffed. I watched my aunt pick up my cousin's teeth that were knocked out during one of his arrests. His nose was broken and he had a concussion as well. I've seen two other cousins get beat down by the cops, but their cases weren't as egregious as the other cousin's and my brother's. The cops in our town were white. Obviously, my brother was white (cousin, too). Race had absoluely nothing to do with it. It had everything to do with it being the fvcking Prentices again... In all fairness, my cousin did throw a punch. My brother didn't. He had just taken them for a merry chase three different times. Why did he run? Because he knew he would catch a beating even if he gave himself up willingly... It's just the way it was. The hell of the thing about it? Most of the times my brother, cousins and their friends had problems with the police, they hadn't been involved with whatever the police came calling about. Don't get me wrong, they pulled plenty of crap, but the cops just started assuming that it was the fvcking Prentices anytime anything happened. That kind of crap happens enough and eventually, they do start becoming violent. My Dad was able to pull my brother out of the cycle, and I was far enough removed in age from them and too good at school to get clumped in.
So here's my overall point. Young men of any class can and will get in trouble (just look at @Mik ), but it's generally going to be poorer kids that are going to get in deeper and more dangerous trouble, and more often. They are going to be more likely to get into drugs, they are more likely to get into alcohol. They also have a tendency to glorify and revel in violence a little more. They're angry. They're trapped. They do have more to fear from a traffic stop. Sometimes deservedly so, a lot of times not. The police have a tendency on focusing on the poor more, because that's where the problems occur most often. It becomes a cycle that gets just a little worse each time.
We heard about this case because the kid died, but I would bet quite a lot that similar incidents happened hundreds, hell thousands of times that very weekend across the country. Black kids got beat, white kids got beat, Hispanics, Asians... The most common thread I bet would be that they were poor.
I'm not having an easy time explaining my thoughts and experiences and turning them into a coherent argument. I'm trying to write this at work and there have been countless interruptions and disruptions, and I'm not very good at putting my thoughts onto a screen anyway. I'm just trying to say that what often gets blamed on race is normally a result of economics. It just happens that a much larger percentage of blacks are poor, and their "poor culture" has become more representational. However, to them, the biggest glaring difference they see in the disparity of treatment is skin color and they assume that's the reason. They don't look at the poor white people that are going through the same struggles. This (by the way) creates animosity in the poor white community, whose same struggles don't get the attention and offers of assistance that the black community does. So their anger starts actually developing a racial element and the next thing you know you have genuine racial strife.
This also speaks back to something that Jon had posted a few days about Rural Anger. I think the author of that article missed the boat. It's not rural, it's class. It's the poor, whether urban or rural, that's driving a lot of this anger. Unfortunately, much of it is misplaced, but it's very real.
I worked in a joint that tried to put these young men back together after they attended their meetings at the local gun & knife club. If we couldn't put them back together, I'd go unlock the morgue door and slide out the tray for the coroner's folks.
Now, I'll readily admit we have a higher percentage of black residents than a lot of places, so maybe I have a bias, but we got a lot more of those guys than other races. Gals, too. Nothing like a beating ( the girls tended to carry those belts in their purse) with a narrow fan or alternator belt.
I disagree it's simply economics, although that is a factor. I think an inherit, deep-rooted distrust of the police exists in the black community, exceeding other groups. I think a larger percentage of these young men have been raise in single parent homes, than any other group. And I think there is a large segment of the young black males involved in the drug business, with the resultant gang territory problems.
That's a recipe for violence. 75% of the inmates at Angola are black, out of a state population that is 31% black. The Farm is for the most violent offenders.
I think those numbers speak for themselves.
