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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I can see defending your tribe, but Schiff?
That's a heckuva critter to defend...
Who's defending Schiff?
The point is that there are others that may warrant some attention, and who may possibly be overlooked in Kevin McCarthy's quest for honesty and integrity in attempting to regain the trust of the American people.
Without using ad homs or whataboutisms, is there a reasonable rebuttal to McCarthy's letter and stated goals?
Fucked if I care, to be honest.
Obviously, this is just theater, and not particularly surprising theater at that. The fact that you and Jolly appear to take him at his word is quite amusing.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I can see defending your tribe, but Schiff?
That's a heckuva critter to defend...
Who's defending Schiff?
The point is that there are others that may warrant some attention, and who may possibly be overlooked in Kevin McCarthy's quest for honesty and integrity in attempting to regain the trust of the American people.
Without using ad homs or whataboutisms, is there a reasonable rebuttal to McCarthy's letter and stated goals?
Fucked if I care, to be honest.
Obviously, this is just theater, and not particularly surprising theater at that. The fact that you and Jolly appear to take him at his word is quite amusing.
Sometimes I like to explore our resident lefties' view on politics to see if they will admit to the existence of any positive principles behind either party. Pure political nihilism is the most defensible viewpoint, when you accept that your nominal party preference has no demonstrable principles whatsoever. I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I can see defending your tribe, but Schiff?
That's a heckuva critter to defend...
Who's defending Schiff?
The point is that there are others that may warrant some attention, and who may possibly be overlooked in Kevin McCarthy's quest for honesty and integrity in attempting to regain the trust of the American people.
Without using ad homs or whataboutisms, is there a reasonable rebuttal to McCarthy's letter and stated goals?
Fucked if I care, to be honest.
Obviously, this is just theater, and not particularly surprising theater at that. The fact that you and Jolly appear to take him at his word is quite amusing.
Sometimes I like to explore our resident lefties' view on politics to see if they will admit to the existence of any positive principles behind either party. Pure political nihilism is the most defensible viewpoint, when you accept that your nominal party preference has no demonstrable principles whatsoever. I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
Sometimes I like to explore our resident lefties' view on politics to see if they will admit to the existence of any positive principles behind either party.
I think both parties are roughly the same. I don't hold with all that bullshit about one party being morally superior to the other.
One party has one set of beliefs, one has a different set. They're both pretty scummy, as far as I can tell, however I'm sure there are also some very fine people in both parties, to coin a phrase.
Nobody ever says their own party is morally inferior to the other one, which is such an enormous coincidence.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I can see defending your tribe, but Schiff?
That's a heckuva critter to defend...
Who's defending Schiff?
The point is that there are others that may warrant some attention, and who may possibly be overlooked in Kevin McCarthy's quest for honesty and integrity in attempting to regain the trust of the American people.
Without using ad homs or whataboutisms, is there a reasonable rebuttal to McCarthy's letter and stated goals?
Fucked if I care, to be honest.
Obviously, this is just theater, and not particularly surprising theater at that. The fact that you and Jolly appear to take him at his word is quite amusing.
Sometimes I like to explore our resident lefties' view on politics to see if they will admit to the existence of any positive principles behind either party. Pure political nihilism is the most defensible viewpoint, when you accept that your nominal party preference has no demonstrable principles whatsoever. I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
I imagine that the liberal leaning folk on this board hold out some hope regarding liberal politics.
And I hate to put words in your mouth, but doesn't the fact that you said this imply that you believe that it's only the conservatives that have this hope, and that all the liberals here are therefore essentially without principle?
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I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
I imagine that the liberal leaning folk on this board hold out some hope regarding liberal politics.
And I hate to put words in your mouth, but doesn't the fact that you said this imply that you believe that it's only the conservatives that have this hope, and that all the liberals here are therefore essentially without principle?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
I imagine that the liberal leaning folk on this board hold out some hope regarding liberal politics.
And I hate to put words in your mouth, but doesn't the fact that you said this imply that you believe that it's only the conservatives that have this hope, and that all the liberals here are without principle?
I'm not saying you're without principle, I'm saying you don't claim the party you prefer has any principle. Not just you, any other lefty here doesn't go around saying good things about the Democrats either. It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
I think most of the conservative leaning folk on this board still do hold out some hope that principles in conservative politics do exist, to some degree.
I imagine that the liberal leaning folk on this board hold out some hope regarding liberal politics.
And I hate to put words in your mouth, but doesn't the fact that you said this imply that you believe that it's only the conservatives that have this hope, and that all the liberals here are without principle?
I'm not saying you're without principle, I'm saying you don't claim the party you prefer has any principle. Not just you, any other lefty here doesn't go around saying good things about the Democrats either. It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties. The remaining folk are kind of cynical centrists, or nihilists such as myself.
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It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties. The remaining folk are kind of cynical centrists, or nihilists such as myself.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
To be fair, you haven't actually left the house whilst scouring the planet.
Would you consider Stephen Fry, for example, a lefty?
I was only joking
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A reporter asked McCarthy about removing Schiff and Swallwell from the intelligence committee.
(Insert snarky @Doctor-Phibes comment about "intelligence" committee here:________________)
He makes some interesting points, and assuming he's not lying (another @Doctor-Phibes comment would fit here as well), it's understandable.
We know for a fact that Schiff is a liar, and a brazen one at that. But, according to McCarthy, there's more.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
To be fair, you haven't actually left the house whilst scouring the planet.
Would you consider Stephen Fry, for example, a lefty?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
To be fair, you haven't actually left the house whilst scouring the planet.
it would be awkward to knock on people's doors, or to walk the streets so I could listen to whomever is screaming from street corners in random neighborhoods.
Would you consider Stephen Fry, for example, a lefty?
He doesn't seem indoctrinated into any emotional truths, from what I've heard of him.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
It's all bad things about the Republicans. Meanwhile, the conservatives on the board seem more comfortable with the assumption that underneath the politics, there does remain some principle in the GOP.
There's more than one possible explanation for that discrepancy.
One of them is that all the real lefties have left the board. Maybe that's why they're called lefties.
That's true. But I've scoured the planet for reasonable lefty voices, and the search has come up empty. Which might be expected, for the party of emotional truths. One shouldn't expect those truths to be defensible rationally.
To be fair, you haven't actually left the house whilst scouring the planet.
it would be awkward to knock on people's doors, or to walk the streets so I could listen to whomever is screaming from street corners in random neighborhoods.
Would you consider Stephen Fry, for example, a lefty?
He doesn't seem indoctrinated into any emotional truths, from what I've heard of him.
He doesn't seem indoctrinated into any emotional truths, from what I've heard of him.
If you define a lefty as somebody who is indoctrinated into emotional truths, then it's not particularly surprising that you can't find any reasonable lefties.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Rejected:
He doesn't seem indoctrinated into any emotional truths, from what I've heard of him.
If you define a lefty as being indoctrinated into emotional truths, then it's not particularly surprising that you can't find any reasonable lefties.
You only have to accept that emotionally true narratives are the cornerstone of modern leftism. Which is true.
