Beato Speaks
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 15:07 last edited by
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 15:14 last edited by
Hard to argue with him.
The rot started with drum machines and click tracks IMHO.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 15:19 last edited by
A while ago, I posted a link to a guy who listened to Karen Carpenter (and others) using a pitch-analysis machine. It was shocking how totally on-pitch she was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
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A while ago, I posted a link to a guy who listened to Karen Carpenter (and others) using a pitch-analysis machine. It was shocking how totally on-pitch she was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 15:27 last edited by@George-K said in Beato Speaks:
A while ago, I posted a link to a guy who listened to Karen Carpenter (and others) using a pitch-analysis machine. It was shocking how totally on-pitch she was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
Not to mention how auto-tune promotes mediocrity and even talentless people.
As a side-note...Karen Carpenter never thought she was a very good singer. Where would you rank her in her generation?
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@George-K said in Beato Speaks:
A while ago, I posted a link to a guy who listened to Karen Carpenter (and others) using a pitch-analysis machine. It was shocking how totally on-pitch she was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
Not to mention how auto-tune promotes mediocrity and even talentless people.
As a side-note...Karen Carpenter never thought she was a very good singer. Where would you rank her in her generation?
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 15:35 last edited byI have some software that can analyse audio files to give you chord progressions, timing and what have you.
I plugged in a few old jazz classics in, and there is no constant speed - it's clear how the tempo changes over a 3 minute track.
People used to say that Miles Davis played flat - it sounds like that early in his career primarily because Charlie Parker played really sharp, even by the standards of the day. The saxophone is not a precise animal when it comes to intonation, but he still sounds pretty freaking awesome.
This stuff is what makes us human.
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I have some software that can analyse audio files to give you chord progressions, timing and what have you.
I plugged in a few old jazz classics in, and there is no constant speed - it's clear how the tempo changes over a 3 minute track.
People used to say that Miles Davis played flat - it sounds like that early in his career primarily because Charlie Parker played really sharp, even by the standards of the day. The saxophone is not a precise animal when it comes to intonation, but he still sounds pretty freaking awesome.
This stuff is what makes us human.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 18:52 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
This stuff is what makes us human.
Auto-tune is worse than automated strike zones.
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Hard to argue with him.
The rot started with drum machines and click tracks IMHO.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 19:01 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
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A while ago, I posted a link to a guy who listened to Karen Carpenter (and others) using a pitch-analysis machine. It was shocking how totally on-pitch she was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 19:15 last edited by@George-K said in Beato Speaks:
It was shocking how totally on-pitch [Karen Carpenter] was. The ability of Sinatra to "slide" into a note was part of his amazing style. Dean Martin was often "off-pitch" but almost on purpose, making his style seem relaxed.
All that would be gone with auto-tune.
We (ok, "Western music") have lost a lot due to standardization on equal temperament. Auto-tune just enforces equal temperament more strictly.
If we want more "off pitch" singing, we can code some randomness into auto-tune software, maybe even use an AI model to moderate how "off pitch" to go when, maybe give the user a virtual knob or slider to control how much random off-pitchiness to inject into the music through autotune, and all will be well again.
Still, artists can also choose to forego autotune entirely if that is more richly rewarded in the music market.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 19:46 last edited by@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
No, you wouldn't...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 20:29 last edited by@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
I feel the same about you.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 21:24 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
Some of his videos are really interesting. I found his descriptions of music theory very confusing - he has a tendency to go off on a tangent and jump around a lot, and he's not a great teacher, but some of his takes on music are great.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 21:28 last edited by
He gets impressive guests. He must be considered a serious guy, worth talking to, in the music community.
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@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
Some of his videos are really interesting. I found his descriptions of music theory very confusing - he has a tendency to go off on a tangent and jump around a lot, and he's not a great teacher, but some of his takes on music are great.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 21:49 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
Some of his videos are really interesting. I found his descriptions of music theory very confusing - he has a tendency to go off on a tangent and jump around a lot, and he's not a great teacher, but some of his takes on music are great.
Have you checked out his Beato book? I'd say he knows how to teach pretty well—he taught at Ithaca for awhile. But his videos are more music appreciation than music coursework.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
@Axtremus said in Beato Speaks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Beato Speaks:
Hard to argue with him.
Forget arguing with him, I haven't find a good reason to listen to him. :man-shrugging:
Some of his videos are really interesting. I found his descriptions of music theory very confusing - he has a tendency to go off on a tangent and jump around a lot, and he's not a great teacher, but some of his takes on music are great.
Have you checked out his Beato book? I'd say he knows how to teach pretty well—he taught at Ithaca for awhile. But his videos are more music appreciation than music coursework.
wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 22:04 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Beato Speaks:
Have you checked out his Beato book? I'd say he knows how to teach pretty well—he taught at Ithaca for awhile. But his videos are more music appreciation than music coursework.
I watched a couple of videos where he was going through some of the stuff related to the book, and just found it a bit impenetrable. I considered buying the book, but the presentation put me off a bit.
But his music appreciation stuff is great - he's also very likeable, and clearly knows a lot of folk in the business.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 22:36 last edited by
He made an off-color joke once when he was 15.
Sorry to say that, for anybody who looked up to him.
But America needs a reckoning.