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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    Lawyer who specializes in self-defense discusses this.

    Link to video

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #13

      Charges Dropped

      Charges have been dropped against a Cherokee County man who was shot by a SWAT team as he exited his home in December.

      A surveillance camera inside Jason Kloepfer's trailer shows him being shot several times by members of the Cherokee Indian Police Department SWAT Team. Cherokee County deputies had called them to provide assistance after a 911 call about a disturbance with several gunshots on Dec. 13.

      Kloepfer survived the shooting and was charged with communicating threats and resisting a public officer.

      The Clerk of Courts for Cherokee County confirmed those charges have been dropped.

      The State Bureau of Investigation is looking into the incident.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #14

        Lawsuit time.

        I suspect he'll be able to afford a two-story trailer before long.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #15

          Glad he survived. And I agree with Phibes that, without the camera, this would have been a nothing burger, swept under the rug.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Lawsuit time.

            I suspect he'll be able to afford a two-story trailer before long.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #16

            @Jolly said in "Communicating threats and confronting officers":

            Lawsuit time.

            https://wlos.com/news/local/cherokee-tribal-police-respond-lawsuit-against-them-shooting-unarmed-man-jason-harley-kloepfer-december-2022-swat-team-claim-immunity


            he Cherokee Indian Police Department officers accused of shooting an unarmed Murphy man have responded to the lawsuit filed against them by the man.

            Cherokee Indian Police respond to lawsuit against them in shooting of unarmed Murphy man

            In a new filing, the officers claim immunity and say they saw what looked like a weapon in Jason Kloepfer's hand before they fired on him, striking him several times.

            Kloepfer was shot by those officers at his home in Cherokee County in December 2022.

            He later released video of the shooting caught on a camera inside his home.


            Standing in his doorway with his hands raised and visible to the police. Get yer checkbooks out, boys.

            Screenshot 2023-09-03 at 7.48.23 AM.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by George K
              #17

              Let the finger-pointing begin.

              If taken at face value, answers to a lawsuit filed by an Upper Bear Paw Road couple targeted by a SWAT raid in December 2022 reveal that just three members of the SWAT team actually fired their weapons.

              In addition, the three SWAT team members say Cherokee County Sheriff Dustin Smith, whose deputies called for help from the Cherokee Tribal Police SWAT team, was at a briefing before the raid and was at the raid as it took place. The three also say the SWAT team was not under Smith’s command....

              The three say if they are in any way found liable, which they deny, it is because co-defendants were negligent, and their negligence was active and primary and the true cause of any damages or injuries...

              Filings admit some SWAT team members saw Kloepfer’s actions on the surveillance video, and a SWAT team member described some of the actions taken by Kloepfer over the microphone, but denied that all members heard the description.

              They admitted Kloepfer opened the front door of his home and walked outside with his hands up and out in front of him and Mahler was standing behind him. Except for Messer, Ferguson and Harris, all remaining tribal police defendants denied firing any shots at Kloepfer or Mahler.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                I have no sympathy for these idiots. One, I'm very dubious of SWAT in any rural environment. It's not needed. Two, this could have easily been handled in the light of day, by regular law enforcement. Three, training and weapons control was severely lacking.

                The victim may be white trash, but after surviving this, he deserves to be rich white trash.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  #19

                  Agreed. This sounds like trigger happy yahoos.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #20

                    No criminal charges...against the cops.

                    https://smokymountainnews.com/news/item/37353-officers-in-kloepfer-shooting-won-t-face-charges

                    A special prosecutor tasked with examining the investigation into the 2022 police shooting that severely injured Jason Harley Kloepfer at his home in Cherokee County has concluded that no criminal charges are warranted against any of the officers or deputies involved.

                    “We think that the law enforcement involved committed many crimes and lied about our client and tried to set him up for prosecuting him when he committed no crimes,” said Ellis Boyle, an attorney representing Kloepfer in a civil case stemming from the shooting. “It's a crying shame that this is what the justice system is in America.”

                    However, Kimberly Spahos, executive director of the N.C. Conference of District Attorneys, which appointed Special Prosecutor Lance Sigmon to review the case and determine whether to press charges, said the decision was based in legal reasoning.

                    “I cannot comment specifically on every statute Mr. Sigmon reviewed,” Spahos said. “However, he certainly reviewed the full investigation and made his decision based on a variety of case law and legal precedent.”

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #21

                      The fix was in.

                      Justice in America. Now, if the Feds would get off their dead ass and quit chasing people for taking a selfie on the Capitol lawn, I suspect this victim had his Constitutional rights violated in more than one way.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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