Selling The Polish
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wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 15:14 last edited by
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
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https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 15:22 last edited by@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
+1
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https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 15:46 last edited by@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
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@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 15:56 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 18:31 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 19:26 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists
Well yeah, different industry so I get that.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 19:36 last edited by Mik@Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:
@Jolly said in Selling The Polish:
https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit
Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.
I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.
In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.
But the hiring practices still haven't changed.
I have a bachelors level of education but only an AA degree. I’ve made a career out of outwitting MBAs and making more money than most of them. There’s great power in actually knowing how to do something.
I’ve also long advocated that you can teach a bright, motivated candidate a technology a lot easier than the converse.