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  • JollyJ Offline
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    https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

    Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

      Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

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      @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

      ... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

      +1

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

        Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

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        #3

        @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

        https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

        Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

        I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

          https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

          Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

          I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

          @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

          https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

          Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

          I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

          In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

          But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

          Please love yourself.

          Doctor PhibesD MikM 2 Replies Last reply
          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

            @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

            https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

            Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

            I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

            In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

            But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

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            @Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

            @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

            https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

            Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

            I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

            In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

            But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

            Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

              @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

              https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

              Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

              I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

              In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

              But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

              Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

              @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

              https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

              Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

              I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

              In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

              But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

              Well I was talking about admin staff rather than engineers. You’re pretty much forced to hire graduates for engineering. I do know some folks without degrees who are great at engineering, for the same reasons you’re saying but they are typically older products of an apprenticeship system that no longer exists

              Well yeah, different industry so I get that.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

                @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

                https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

                Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

                I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

                In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

                But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

                MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #7

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Selling The Polish:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling The Polish:

                @Jolly said in Selling The Polish:

                https://nypost.com/2023/01/16/how-the-wokeness-it-pushes-could-destroy-higher-ed/benefit

                Where I differ from Reynolds a bit... Companies would be well served in many jobs, if they hired non-degreed people for those jobs and invested in a little training.

                I agree, but until everybody stops getting degrees, it's not going to happen. It's a chicken and egg situation. If you have a choice between a graduate and a non-graduate for the same money, you're always going to pick the graduate. In my experience, they tend to have better communication skills, more ambition, and more of a willingness to take on new things, things that aren't that easy to train.

                In my line of work, non-degreed people often kick the shit out of those with a bachelor's. The latter can often be high-minded, arrogant and object to the nonsense they inevitably find out of school whereas the former often have an unromantic "anything that works" mentality.

                But the hiring practices still haven't changed.

                I have a bachelors level of education but only an AA degree. I’ve made a career out of outwitting MBAs and making more money than most of them. There’s great power in actually knowing how to do something.

                I’ve also long advocated that you can teach a bright, motivated candidate a technology a lot easier than the converse.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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