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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 16:21 last edited by
    #30

    The Tuesday Afternoon All-Staff
    (for Bill Watterson)

    With chairs and tables ready
    They shuffled through the doors:
    The corporate colts, the suited dolts,
    The vain attention whores

    Hellos polite and petty
    The rabble took their seats
    Remarks prepared were curtly shared
    In white collated sheets

    His Powerpoint as reference
    The lead began to talk
    He said and smiled, "I promise I'll
    Be mindful of the clock."

    His cohorts waved indifference
    As pastries swept the room
    With platters passed and sweets amassed
    More coffee was consumed

    "In short," the speaker lectured,
    And lightly twitched an eye
    "Our profit's low. For us to grow,
    I need you all to die."

    "I've made it quick," he gestured,
    And held his coffee up,
    "On my behalf the conference staff
    Have laced the paper cups."

    "The food as well," he carried on,
    As nervous laughter spread
    But heaving loud, a VP bowed--
    His face a mottled red

    The speaker motioned, "When you're gone,
    You aren't to be replaced.
    So when you weigh staff severance pay
    With staff that's been erased..."

    He shrugged, the room erupting now
    With agonizing moans,
    "The plan appears a shock to hear,
    But know you're not alone:

    "This fiscal on, the Board has vowed:
    'Cut all redundant costs.'
    It's not just you--my living, too,
    Would constitute a loss."

    The sickly few still standing up
    Collapsed and hit the floor
    "An hour ahead," the speaker said,
    "How helpful for the Board!"

    Now sipping from his coffee cup,
    He promptly changed the screen
    "Up next is George with Corporate Purge:
    What 'Diminution' Means."

    Please love yourself.

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      Mik
      wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 16:30 last edited by
      #31

      😁

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        bachophile
        wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 18:55 last edited by
        #32

        And the poets down here don't write nothing at all
        They just stand back and let it all be
        And in the quick of a knife, they reach for their moment
        And try to make an honest stand
        But they wind up wounded, not even dead
        Tonight in Jungleland

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 18 Jan 2023, 23:40 last edited by
          #33

          Always loved this one.

          Do not go gentle into that good night
          —Dylan Thomas

          Do not go gentle into that good night,
          Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
          Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

          Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
          Because their words had forked no lightning they
          Do not go gentle into that good night.

          Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
          Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
          Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

          Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
          And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
          Do not go gentle into that good night.

          Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
          Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
          Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

          And you, my father, there on the sad height,
          Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
          Do not go gentle into that good night.
          Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

          Please love yourself.

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          • A Aqua Letifer
            18 Jan 2023, 23:40

            Always loved this one.

            Do not go gentle into that good night
            —Dylan Thomas

            Do not go gentle into that good night,
            Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
            Because their words had forked no lightning they
            Do not go gentle into that good night.

            Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
            Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
            And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
            Do not go gentle into that good night.

            Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
            Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            And you, my father, there on the sad height,
            Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
            Do not go gentle into that good night.
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 01:40 last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #34

            @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

            Always loved this one.

            Do not go gentle into that good night
            —Dylan Thomas

            Do not go gentle into that good night,
            Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
            Because their words had forked no lightning they
            Do not go gentle into that good night.

            Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
            Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
            And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
            Do not go gentle into that good night.

            Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
            Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            And you, my father, there on the sad height,
            Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
            Do not go gentle into that good night.
            Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

            That's a favourite of mine. I don't really get much poetry, but I love Dylan Thomas. As a kid I grew up with his recording of 'A child's Christmas in Wales', which is also brilliant, if not really poetry, although arguably everything he wrote is.

            I was only joking

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            • D Doctor Phibes
              19 Jan 2023, 01:40

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

              Always loved this one.

              Do not go gentle into that good night
              —Dylan Thomas

              Do not go gentle into that good night,
              Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
              Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

              Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
              Because their words had forked no lightning they
              Do not go gentle into that good night.

              Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
              Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
              Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

              Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
              And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
              Do not go gentle into that good night.

              Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
              Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
              Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

              And you, my father, there on the sad height,
              Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
              Do not go gentle into that good night.
              Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

              That's a favourite of mine. I don't really get much poetry, but I love Dylan Thomas. As a kid I grew up with his recording of 'A child's Christmas in Wales', which is also brilliant, if not really poetry, although arguably everything he wrote is.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 02:06 last edited by
              #35

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

              I don't really get much poetry,

              That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

              Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

              Please love yourself.

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              • A Aqua Letifer
                19 Jan 2023, 02:06

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                I don't really get much poetry,

                That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 02:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #36

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                I don't really get much poetry,

                That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                I don't quite know why I love Dylan Thomas so much. I lived in a village in South Wales for a while (the birthplace of Tom Jones, as it happens), and you could almost hear him (Thomas, that is) as you walked down the street. It was also a great place to go drinking, of course.

                I was only joking

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                • D Doctor Phibes
                  19 Jan 2023, 02:18

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                  I don't really get much poetry,

                  That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                  Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                  I don't quite know why I love Dylan Thomas so much. I lived in a village in South Wales for a while (the birthplace of Tom Jones, as it happens), and you could almost hear him (Thomas, that is) as you walked down the street. It was also a great place to go drinking, of course.

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 02:23 last edited by Aqua Letifer
                  #37

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                  I don't really get much poetry,

                  That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                  Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                  I don't quite know why I love Dylan Thomas so much. I lived in a village in South Wales for a while (the birthplace of Tom Jones, as it happens), and you could almost hear him (Thomas, that is) as you walked down the street. It was also a great place to go drinking, of course.

                  I like him because okay, say what you want about everything else, but when it came to his writing, he really brought it. Most people don't.

                  In Oz, my landlady had a vinyl copy of Under Milk Wood, which was pretty fucking rad, with or without substances.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • A Aqua Letifer
                    19 Jan 2023, 02:23

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                    I don't really get much poetry,

                    That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                    Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                    I don't quite know why I love Dylan Thomas so much. I lived in a village in South Wales for a while (the birthplace of Tom Jones, as it happens), and you could almost hear him (Thomas, that is) as you walked down the street. It was also a great place to go drinking, of course.

                    I like him because okay, say what you want about everything else, but when it came to his writing, he really brought it. Most people don't.

                    In Oz, my landlady had a vinyl copy of Under Milk Wood, which was pretty fucking rad, with or without substances.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 03:03 last edited by
                    #38

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                    In Oz, my landlady had a vinyl copy of Under Milk Wood

                    That was on the other side of the Child's Christmas in Wales I listened to as a kid.

                    I was only joking

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                    • A Aqua Letifer
                      19 Jan 2023, 02:06

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                      I don't really get much poetry,

                      That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                      Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 04:10 last edited by
                      #39

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                      I don't really get much poetry,

                      That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                      Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                      No, it certainly isn’t. Endeavoring to obscure your message is just pretension. Clarity doesn’t necessarily mean being obvious, but if you don’t get what you’re talking about across, it’s like a lot of abstract art. “What does it mean TO YOU?”

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 17:19 last edited by Aqua Letifer
                        #40

                        The Old Man

                        In the hours between night and morning
                        As my family dreams deep in their bed
                        I’m alone in the second-floor bedroom
                        I’m exhausted and shaking my head.

                        When I scoff at the notebook beside me—
                        Every night, it's been always the same—
                        There's hand that takes hold of my shoulder
                        From the Man with a Song for a Name.

                        “So you're thinking of going?” he asks me
                        As he glances from me to the door
                        “I’m thinking of sleep,” I say, sneering
                        “I can’t deal with your shit anymore.”

                        When he laughs, the sound ripples and thunders
                        “My shit?” He repeats with a smile.
                        “My ‘shit,’ I recall, that I dropped by the Hall
                        Is still there; want to lick it awhile?”

                        “Just as well if I would, and you know it,
                        For the good it would do!” I exclaimed
                        “I spend night after night chasing nothing!
                        And for what? To feel lost and ashamed?

                        “For a decade, I follow this calling
                        I put blood in my truth and I give
                        And I know that I’ll never be famous
                        But at least some would know that I lived

                        “Know when ‘hope’ is a splash in the toilet?
                        When your ‘calling’ is worse than a lie
                        Have you heard about TikTok or YouTube?
                        Fucking poetry’s dead as your eye!

                        “The world has moved on—words are worthless
                        I spill as much of myself as I can
                        And you know what they do when I share it?
                        They ignore it, you silly old man!

                        “I don't have some glorious struggle
                        Or a face that commands their respect
                        I just live in a house with my family
                        And the bullshit my notebooks collect

                        “I’m no internet-famous sensation
                        I’m not the next Kaur or Bly
                        I make marks on the world with stale water
                        And my writing will fade when I die.”

                        The other just raises his eyebrows.
                        “I take it you’e finally through?
                        With that whiny white noise that your ego enjoys?
                        Can’t you ever express something new?

                        “You sound like my wife when she’s angry—
                        Discounting your nonsense, of course.
                        Late at night when she knits and she bitches like this
                        It’s amazing you haven’t gone hoarse.

                        “My birds used to visit, remember?
                        They were hoping you’d prosper and grow
                        But Wisdom’s offended that Memory tended
                        To you, but you’ve lost what you know.
                        So why don’t they join us awhile
                        To pay you what you think that I owe.”

                        As two ravens fly in from the window
                        The man stops to consider his words
                        When his lips move, he’s still and he’s silent
                        But a voice whispers out from the birds:

                        Beneath the pines
                        Below the leaves
                        Where bones are shrines
                        To death achieved
                        That’s where you’ll go
                        And where you’ll be
                        Again you know
                        And now you see
                        Your spirit shows
                        You’re more than dust
                        You’ve room to grow
                        You can adjust
                        Death comes again
                        As twice it must
                        Returning when
                        You’re last discussed
                        For throngs of men
                        The gap is small
                        They’re buried, then
                        They’re never called
                        For you, the word
                        Is fate forestalled
                        It’s heaven heard
                        Beyond its walls
                        Your soul is stirred
                        And shines anew
                        And grace returned
                        Will visit you
                        But grace will fade
                        Its moments few
                        The vows death made
                        Are followed through
                        Once all is played
                        You’ll join the dark
                        But what you’ve laid
                        May rouse a spark
                        And show the world
                        That you persisted
                        Your hope was hurled
                        You once existed
                        The future swirls
                        It’s never known
                        So share those pearls
                        You call your own

                        The ravens fly out past the window
                        The man, with a wink, disappears
                        And when all once forgotten emerges
                        My heart reconciles and clears

                        In the hours between night and morning
                        Once I’d heard the advice of a friend
                        I abandon my fears to tomorrow
                        And I pick up my notebook again

                        Please love yourself.

                        H 1 Reply Last reply 19 Jan 2023, 18:18
                        • A Aqua Letifer
                          19 Jan 2023, 17:19

                          The Old Man

                          In the hours between night and morning
                          As my family dreams deep in their bed
                          I’m alone in the second-floor bedroom
                          I’m exhausted and shaking my head.

                          When I scoff at the notebook beside me—
                          Every night, it's been always the same—
                          There's hand that takes hold of my shoulder
                          From the Man with a Song for a Name.

                          “So you're thinking of going?” he asks me
                          As he glances from me to the door
                          “I’m thinking of sleep,” I say, sneering
                          “I can’t deal with your shit anymore.”

                          When he laughs, the sound ripples and thunders
                          “My shit?” He repeats with a smile.
                          “My ‘shit,’ I recall, that I dropped by the Hall
                          Is still there; want to lick it awhile?”

                          “Just as well if I would, and you know it,
                          For the good it would do!” I exclaimed
                          “I spend night after night chasing nothing!
                          And for what? To feel lost and ashamed?

                          “For a decade, I follow this calling
                          I put blood in my truth and I give
                          And I know that I’ll never be famous
                          But at least some would know that I lived

                          “Know when ‘hope’ is a splash in the toilet?
                          When your ‘calling’ is worse than a lie
                          Have you heard about TikTok or YouTube?
                          Fucking poetry’s dead as your eye!

                          “The world has moved on—words are worthless
                          I spill as much of myself as I can
                          And you know what they do when I share it?
                          They ignore it, you silly old man!

                          “I don't have some glorious struggle
                          Or a face that commands their respect
                          I just live in a house with my family
                          And the bullshit my notebooks collect

                          “I’m no internet-famous sensation
                          I’m not the next Kaur or Bly
                          I make marks on the world with stale water
                          And my writing will fade when I die.”

                          The other just raises his eyebrows.
                          “I take it you’e finally through?
                          With that whiny white noise that your ego enjoys?
                          Can’t you ever express something new?

                          “You sound like my wife when she’s angry—
                          Discounting your nonsense, of course.
                          Late at night when she knits and she bitches like this
                          It’s amazing you haven’t gone hoarse.

                          “My birds used to visit, remember?
                          They were hoping you’d prosper and grow
                          But Wisdom’s offended that Memory tended
                          To you, but you’ve lost what you know.
                          So why don’t they join us awhile
                          To pay you what you think that I owe.”

                          As two ravens fly in from the window
                          The man stops to consider his words
                          When his lips move, he’s still and he’s silent
                          But a voice whispers out from the birds:

                          Beneath the pines
                          Below the leaves
                          Where bones are shrines
                          To death achieved
                          That’s where you’ll go
                          And where you’ll be
                          Again you know
                          And now you see
                          Your spirit shows
                          You’re more than dust
                          You’ve room to grow
                          You can adjust
                          Death comes again
                          As twice it must
                          Returning when
                          You’re last discussed
                          For throngs of men
                          The gap is small
                          They’re buried, then
                          They’re never called
                          For you, the word
                          Is fate forestalled
                          It’s heaven heard
                          Beyond its walls
                          Your soul is stirred
                          And shines anew
                          And grace returned
                          Will visit you
                          But grace will fade
                          Its moments few
                          The vows death made
                          Are followed through
                          Once all is played
                          You’ll join the dark
                          But what you’ve laid
                          May rouse a spark
                          And show the world
                          That you persisted
                          Your hope was hurled
                          You once existed
                          The future swirls
                          It’s never known
                          So share those pearls
                          You call your own

                          The ravens fly out past the window
                          The man, with a wink, disappears
                          And when all once forgotten emerges
                          My heart reconciles and clears

                          In the hours between night and morning
                          Once I’d heard the advice of a friend
                          I abandon my fears to tomorrow
                          And I pick up my notebook again

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 18:18 last edited by
                          #41

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                          The Old Man

                          In the hours between night and morning
                          As my family dreams deep in their bed
                          I’m alone in the second-floor bedroom
                          I’m exhausted and shaking my head.

                          When I scoff at the notebook beside me—
                          Every night, it's been always the same—
                          There's hand that takes hold of my shoulder
                          From the Man with a Song for a Name.

                          “So you're thinking of going?” he asks me
                          As he glances from me to the door
                          “I’m thinking of sleep,” I say, sneering
                          “I can’t deal with your shit anymore.”

                          When he laughs, the sound ripples and thunders
                          “My shit?” He repeats with a smile.
                          “My ‘shit,’ I recall, that I dropped by the Hall
                          Is still there; want to lick it awhile?”

                          “Just as well if I would, and you know it,
                          For the good it would do!” I exclaimed
                          “I spend night after night chasing nothing!
                          And for what? To feel lost and ashamed?

                          “For a decade, I follow this calling
                          I put blood in my truth and I give
                          And I know that I’ll never be famous
                          But at least some would know that I lived

                          “Know when ‘hope’ is a splash in the toilet?
                          When your ‘calling’ is worse than a lie
                          Have you heard about TikTok or YouTube?
                          Fucking poetry’s dead as your eye!

                          “The world has moved on—words are worthless
                          I spill as much of myself as I can
                          And you know what they do when I share it?
                          They ignore it, you silly old man!

                          “I don't have some glorious struggle
                          Or a face that commands their respect
                          I just live in a house with my family
                          And the bullshit my notebooks collect

                          “I’m no internet-famous sensation
                          I’m not the next Kaur or Bly
                          I make marks on the world with stale water
                          And my writing will fade when I die.”

                          The other just raises his eyebrows.
                          “I take it you’e finally through?
                          With that whiny white noise that your ego enjoys?
                          Can’t you ever express something new?

                          “You sound like my wife when she’s angry—
                          Discounting your nonsense, of course.
                          Late at night when she knits and she bitches like this
                          It’s amazing you haven’t gone hoarse.

                          “My birds used to visit, remember?
                          They were hoping you’d prosper and grow
                          But Wisdom’s offended that Memory tended
                          To you, but you’ve lost what you know.
                          So why don’t they join us awhile
                          To pay you what you think that I owe.”

                          As two ravens fly in from the window
                          The man stops to consider his words
                          When his lips move, he’s still and he’s silent
                          But a voice whispers out from the birds:

                          Beneath the pines
                          Below the leaves
                          Where bones are shrines
                          To death achieved
                          That’s where you’ll go
                          And where you’ll be
                          Again you know
                          And now you see
                          Your spirit shows
                          You’re more than dust
                          You’ve room to grow
                          You can adjust
                          Death comes again
                          As twice it must
                          Returning when
                          You’re last discussed
                          For throngs of men
                          The gap is small
                          They’re buried, then
                          They’re never called
                          For you, the word
                          Is fate forestalled
                          It’s heaven heard
                          Beyond its walls
                          Your soul is stirred
                          And shines anew
                          And grace returned
                          Will visit you
                          But grace will fade
                          Its moments few
                          The vows death made
                          Are followed through
                          Once all is played
                          You’ll join the dark
                          But what you’ve laid
                          May rouse a spark
                          And show the world
                          That you persisted
                          Your hope was hurled
                          You once existed
                          The future swirls
                          It’s never known
                          So share those pearls
                          You call your own

                          The ravens fly out past the window
                          The man, with a wink, disappears
                          And when all once forgotten emerges
                          My heart reconciles and clears

                          In the hours between night and morning
                          Once I’d heard the advice of a friend
                          I abandon my fears to tomorrow
                          And I pick up my notebook again

                          Excellent encapsulation of why I pwn the libtards here on TNCR. Though my face does command respect.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • H Horace
                            19 Jan 2023, 18:18

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                            The Old Man

                            In the hours between night and morning
                            As my family dreams deep in their bed
                            I’m alone in the second-floor bedroom
                            I’m exhausted and shaking my head.

                            When I scoff at the notebook beside me—
                            Every night, it's been always the same—
                            There's hand that takes hold of my shoulder
                            From the Man with a Song for a Name.

                            “So you're thinking of going?” he asks me
                            As he glances from me to the door
                            “I’m thinking of sleep,” I say, sneering
                            “I can’t deal with your shit anymore.”

                            When he laughs, the sound ripples and thunders
                            “My shit?” He repeats with a smile.
                            “My ‘shit,’ I recall, that I dropped by the Hall
                            Is still there; want to lick it awhile?”

                            “Just as well if I would, and you know it,
                            For the good it would do!” I exclaimed
                            “I spend night after night chasing nothing!
                            And for what? To feel lost and ashamed?

                            “For a decade, I follow this calling
                            I put blood in my truth and I give
                            And I know that I’ll never be famous
                            But at least some would know that I lived

                            “Know when ‘hope’ is a splash in the toilet?
                            When your ‘calling’ is worse than a lie
                            Have you heard about TikTok or YouTube?
                            Fucking poetry’s dead as your eye!

                            “The world has moved on—words are worthless
                            I spill as much of myself as I can
                            And you know what they do when I share it?
                            They ignore it, you silly old man!

                            “I don't have some glorious struggle
                            Or a face that commands their respect
                            I just live in a house with my family
                            And the bullshit my notebooks collect

                            “I’m no internet-famous sensation
                            I’m not the next Kaur or Bly
                            I make marks on the world with stale water
                            And my writing will fade when I die.”

                            The other just raises his eyebrows.
                            “I take it you’e finally through?
                            With that whiny white noise that your ego enjoys?
                            Can’t you ever express something new?

                            “You sound like my wife when she’s angry—
                            Discounting your nonsense, of course.
                            Late at night when she knits and she bitches like this
                            It’s amazing you haven’t gone hoarse.

                            “My birds used to visit, remember?
                            They were hoping you’d prosper and grow
                            But Wisdom’s offended that Memory tended
                            To you, but you’ve lost what you know.
                            So why don’t they join us awhile
                            To pay you what you think that I owe.”

                            As two ravens fly in from the window
                            The man stops to consider his words
                            When his lips move, he’s still and he’s silent
                            But a voice whispers out from the birds:

                            Beneath the pines
                            Below the leaves
                            Where bones are shrines
                            To death achieved
                            That’s where you’ll go
                            And where you’ll be
                            Again you know
                            And now you see
                            Your spirit shows
                            You’re more than dust
                            You’ve room to grow
                            You can adjust
                            Death comes again
                            As twice it must
                            Returning when
                            You’re last discussed
                            For throngs of men
                            The gap is small
                            They’re buried, then
                            They’re never called
                            For you, the word
                            Is fate forestalled
                            It’s heaven heard
                            Beyond its walls
                            Your soul is stirred
                            And shines anew
                            And grace returned
                            Will visit you
                            But grace will fade
                            Its moments few
                            The vows death made
                            Are followed through
                            Once all is played
                            You’ll join the dark
                            But what you’ve laid
                            May rouse a spark
                            And show the world
                            That you persisted
                            Your hope was hurled
                            You once existed
                            The future swirls
                            It’s never known
                            So share those pearls
                            You call your own

                            The ravens fly out past the window
                            The man, with a wink, disappears
                            And when all once forgotten emerges
                            My heart reconciles and clears

                            In the hours between night and morning
                            Once I’d heard the advice of a friend
                            I abandon my fears to tomorrow
                            And I pick up my notebook again

                            Excellent encapsulation of why I pwn the libtards here on TNCR. Though my face does command respect.

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 18:32 last edited by
                            #42

                            @Horace said in The poetry thread:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                            The Old Man

                            In the hours between night and morning
                            As my family dreams deep in their bed
                            I’m alone in the second-floor bedroom
                            I’m exhausted and shaking my head.

                            When I scoff at the notebook beside me—
                            Every night, it's been always the same—
                            There's hand that takes hold of my shoulder
                            From the Man with a Song for a Name.

                            “So you're thinking of going?” he asks me
                            As he glances from me to the door
                            “I’m thinking of sleep,” I say, sneering
                            “I can’t deal with your shit anymore.”

                            When he laughs, the sound ripples and thunders
                            “My shit?” He repeats with a smile.
                            “My ‘shit,’ I recall, that I dropped by the Hall
                            Is still there; want to lick it awhile?”

                            “Just as well if I would, and you know it,
                            For the good it would do!” I exclaimed
                            “I spend night after night chasing nothing!
                            And for what? To feel lost and ashamed?

                            “For a decade, I follow this calling
                            I put blood in my truth and I give
                            And I know that I’ll never be famous
                            But at least some would know that I lived

                            “Know when ‘hope’ is a splash in the toilet?
                            When your ‘calling’ is worse than a lie
                            Have you heard about TikTok or YouTube?
                            Fucking poetry’s dead as your eye!

                            “The world has moved on—words are worthless
                            I spill as much of myself as I can
                            And you know what they do when I share it?
                            They ignore it, you silly old man!

                            “I don't have some glorious struggle
                            Or a face that commands their respect
                            I just live in a house with my family
                            And the bullshit my notebooks collect

                            “I’m no internet-famous sensation
                            I’m not the next Kaur or Bly
                            I make marks on the world with stale water
                            And my writing will fade when I die.”

                            The other just raises his eyebrows.
                            “I take it you’e finally through?
                            With that whiny white noise that your ego enjoys?
                            Can’t you ever express something new?

                            “You sound like my wife when she’s angry—
                            Discounting your nonsense, of course.
                            Late at night when she knits and she bitches like this
                            It’s amazing you haven’t gone hoarse.

                            “My birds used to visit, remember?
                            They were hoping you’d prosper and grow
                            But Wisdom’s offended that Memory tended
                            To you, but you’ve lost what you know.
                            So why don’t they join us awhile
                            To pay you what you think that I owe.”

                            As two ravens fly in from the window
                            The man stops to consider his words
                            When his lips move, he’s still and he’s silent
                            But a voice whispers out from the birds:

                            Beneath the pines
                            Below the leaves
                            Where bones are shrines
                            To death achieved
                            That’s where you’ll go
                            And where you’ll be
                            Again you know
                            And now you see
                            Your spirit shows
                            You’re more than dust
                            You’ve room to grow
                            You can adjust
                            Death comes again
                            As twice it must
                            Returning when
                            You’re last discussed
                            For throngs of men
                            The gap is small
                            They’re buried, then
                            They’re never called
                            For you, the word
                            Is fate forestalled
                            It’s heaven heard
                            Beyond its walls
                            Your soul is stirred
                            And shines anew
                            And grace returned
                            Will visit you
                            But grace will fade
                            Its moments few
                            The vows death made
                            Are followed through
                            Once all is played
                            You’ll join the dark
                            But what you’ve laid
                            May rouse a spark
                            And show the world
                            That you persisted
                            Your hope was hurled
                            You once existed
                            The future swirls
                            It’s never known
                            So share those pearls
                            You call your own

                            The ravens fly out past the window
                            The man, with a wink, disappears
                            And when all once forgotten emerges
                            My heart reconciles and clears

                            In the hours between night and morning
                            Once I’d heard the advice of a friend
                            I abandon my fears to tomorrow
                            And I pick up my notebook again

                            Excellent encapsulation of why I pwn the libtards here on TNCR. Though my face does command respect.

                            You've a white male face, bro. Might wanna rethink that last.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 20 Jan 2023, 21:41 last edited by Aqua Letifer
                              #43

                              Robin Hood and the Monk
                              —my version, adopted heavily from the Cambridge Ff.5.48 manuscript. This was a real bitch to do.

                              In summer, when the woods were bright
                              And leaves grew large and long,
                              The merry forest welcomed in
                              The sparrows’ morning song

                              The deer were drawing to the dale
                              And left the hillocks free
                              And sheltered in beneath the shade
                              Of vaulted emerald trees

                              White Sunday, when the flowers bloomed
                              So brilliantly in May—
                              They rivaled dawn’s own gilded glow—
                              Such was the scene that day.

                              “A merry sight,” said Little John
                              “By Christ Upon the Cross,
                              To find a man as half-content
                              You’d all be at a loss!”

                              “Pick up your heart, my master, please,”
                              He ventured on to say,
                              “No light is ever fairer than
                              The morning light of May.”

                              “Except I’m troubled,” Robin said,
                              “I’m sorry that it shows.
                              It’s time for Sunday Mass again;
                              It’s there I ought to go.”

                              “It’s been a fortnight since I’ve been—
                              Much longer than I’d planned.
                              I’ll try today—but led, with luck
                              By Mary’s gentle hand.”

                              Along came Much, the Miller’s son,
                              Who took the two aside.
                              “So bring a dozen merry men
                              And let them be your guide!
                              If any wished to do you harm,
                              They’d risk their suicide.”

                              “Just one, my friend,” said Robin Hood,
                              “To keep us out of sight.
                              So Little John shall hold my bow—
                              Unless we find a fight.”

                              “You’ll hold your own,” said Little John,
                              “And me, I’ll carry mine.
                              In fact, a dollar wager for the man
                              Who shoots the truer line.”

                              “A dollar? No,” said Robin back
                              “Let’s have a little fun:
                              For besting me in archery,
                              I’ll give you three-to-one.”

                              They wagered once, and wagered twice
                              As both dared not to lose
                              ‘Till Little John had won enough
                              To buy new socks and shoes.

                              Then silence grew between the two
                              As Robin stormed ahead
                              The other tried to claim his prize
                              When Robin turned his head.

                              He fiercely struck at Little John—
                              “You cheated!” Robin roared
                              And Little John responded fast
                              By brandishing his sword.

                              “Were you another’s master, Robin,
                              I’d sorely make you pay.
                              Return to town. Go where you will.
                              You walk alone today.”

                              So Robin walked to Nottingham,
                              Uneasy and alone,
                              And Little John, to Sherwood by
                              The paths he’d always known.

                              And later, once in Nottingham,
                              A hooded man began
                              To pray to Mary and to God
                              To see him safe again.

                              He stepped inside Saint Mary’s church
                              And knelt before the Lord
                              And all within saw Robin Hood
                              Alone, save bow and sword.

                              Across from him, a local monk
                              Whose head sat full and round
                              Identified the visitor
                              And quickly spun around

                              He bolted out the door and sought
                              The sheriff as he fled—
                              Disrupting Robin’s sanctuary,
                              Betraying him instead.

                              While searching all of Nottingham,
                              He told the sheriff’s men:
                              “Secure the gates and arm yourself—
                              The Thief returns again!”

                              He found the sheriff as he yelled,
                              “Rise up, and fix your ears!
                              Surround the church with all your guards,
                              Your ‘Robin Hood’ is here!

                              I saw the felon there myself,
                              Attending Sunday mass
                              The failure’s yours and yours alone
                              If he’s allowed to pass!

                              I know the traitor, same as you—
                              He sprang and robbed me blind!
                              A hundred pounds he took from me—
                              It’s never left my mind.”

                              The sheriff nodded, thanked the monk
                              And smiled, now content.
                              He mobilized his strongest men
                              And to the church they went.

                              They beat upon St. Mary’s doors
                              With staves dispersed and drawn
                              “‘Just two,’ I said,” spat Robin Hood,
                              “And now, no Little John!”

                              He drew his longsword out at once
                              And held it by his knee,
                              Then charged against the sheriff’s men
                              Their staves now swinging free

                              Thrice through did Robin come at them
                              And those who saw it say
                              He wounded countless armored guards
                              And twelve he killed that day.

                              His sword, upon the sheriff’s head,
                              Abruptly broke in two.
                              “The smith that made you,” Robin said,
                              “Deserves to be run through!

                              I’m weaponless, and so I yield,
                              Before more blood is spilled.
                              (And if I ran, they barred the gates—
                              They’d surely have me killed.)”

                              ————————————

                              Within the forest, past the towns,
                              Beyond their field and glen,
                              Stood Little John, who spoke at once
                              Before the merry men:

                              “Our master’s not returned and I
                              Suspect he’s locked away.
                              But quiet! Listen up, my friends,
                              And hear what I would say—

                              He’s served Our Lady piously;
                              For us, She will provide.
                              Because of Her, despite my fears,
                              I don’t believe he died.

                              So please be glad,” said Little John,
                              “And let your mourning go.
                              I’ll leave with Much to bring him back;
                              The monk? We’ll bring him low.
                              If Mild Mary lends Her might,
                              We’ll give him what he’s owed.

                              Keep watch upon our meeting tree
                              And while we’re down the trail,
                              Bring back that summer venison
                              That stalks our wooded vale.”

                              They crossed the forest, John and Much—
                              Beyond the trees, the two
                              Arrived at Much’s uncle’s house,
                              The highway in full view.

                              The morning came, and from the house,
                              The two companions saw
                              The monk come riding with a Page
                              In the gentle light of dawn.

                              “By faith alone,” said Little John,
                              “Our luck would be this good!
                              The very monk we’re looking for—
                              I know him by his hood!”

                              They joined the road, both Much and John,
                              And like two gentlemen
                              Approached the monk and little Page
                              As if they’d been old friends

                              “From where’d you come?” asked Little John.
                              “I’d heard a merchant say
                              An outlaw stalking Nottingham
                              Was taken yesterday.

                              He stole from us some twenty marks—
                              We wondered if you knew
                              Was what our friend had said of his
                              Incarceration true?”

                              “A hundred pounds,” The monk replied,
                              “He lifted from my purse!
                              He’s captured, thanks to me alone;
                              It’s I who saw him first.”

                              “Give thanks to God!” said Little John,
                              “We’d like to, if we may,
                              Provide you two some company
                              And bring you on your way.

                              It’s up to you—the two of us
                              Aren’t felons to be feared;
                              But Robin’s woods have many friends
                              and you could disappear.”

                              He’d gladly bear their company,
                              The monk told Little John.
                              But the king was waiting for his word,
                              So they continued on.

                              John walked beside the monk awhile,
                              Then turned to speak. Instead,
                              He grabbed the horse the monk was on
                              And yanked him by the head.

                              Then Much locked arms around the Page
                              In case he tried to stray,
                              As John pulled down the hefty monk
                              Whose horse began to bray.

                              When Little John unsheathed his sword,
                              His wild eyes grew wide;
                              The monk, who saw his death at-hand
                              Fell to his knees and cried.

                              “You jailed my master,” shouted John,
                              “Your soul I see is rotten!
                              You’ll never meet our king. What’s more,
                              Your fate will be forgotten.”

                              John slew the monk and took his head,
                              Dispatching him to hell,
                              Then Much removed the Page’s, too,
                              For fear that he might tell.

                              They stole the letters from their bags,
                              As swords rejoined their sheaths,
                              They buried both the page and monk
                              In shallow graves beneath

                              When John appeared before the king,
                              He knelt upon his knee,
                              “May God preserve you, lord,” he said,
                              “And Jesus save and see!”

                              He gave him letters that the monk
                              Had kept before he died
                              The king drew close, inspecting them
                              At once, and then replied:

                              “Upon my throne, there never was
                              Such trouble on my mind,
                              Or a yeoman all throughout our land
                              I wanted more to find.

                              But where’s the monk who wrote to me?
                              I’d see him, if I may.”
                              “My lord, I’m sorry,” mumbled John,
                              “He died along the way.”

                              The king gave Much and Little John
                              Both twenty pounds before
                              He made them yeomen of the crown
                              Requesting one thing more:

                              He gave to John his seal in-hand—
                              The sheriff, as his arm,
                              Shall carry Robin to the king
                              But none shall do him harm.

                              Then John and Much took leave at once,
                              And as the stories say,
                              Toward Nottingham they never stopped—
                              They ran for one full day.

                              When Little John and Much arrived,
                              The outer gates were barred.
                              They tried in vain to lift them up,
                              And called upon a guard:

                              “What cause is there,” John asked of him,
                              To bar the gates so fast?”
                              “Because of Robin Hood,” he said,
                              “In prison now at last!

                              “Will Scarlock, Little John and Much,
                              Those friends of Robin Hood,
                              They sometimes stalk about these walls—
                              They'd kill us if they could.”

                              The two produced the royal seal,
                              The guardsmen let them in,
                              And by the village square, they found
                              The sheriff with his men.

                              John drew the message from the king
                              Removed its outer band
                              And with the sheriff looking on,
                              John placed it in his hand.

                              The sheriff glanced upon the seal
                              And said, “The monk’s not here?
                              But where’s he gone?” he asked of John,
                              And turned so he could hear.

                              “He’s now an abbot,” John replied,
                              “As true as I now stand:
                              Westminster Abbey. Ordered by
                              The Crown and God’s command.”

                              The sheriff smiled at the two,
                              And treated them as guests.
                              By night, the group retired to
                              Their beds to take their rest.

                              And later, as the sheriff slept,
                              Still drunk on wine and ale,
                              Both Little John and Much arose
                              To slip inside the jail.

                              The two snuck up behind the guard:
                              “Wake up!” said Little John—
                              “The bandit, Robin Hood, escaped!
                              Get up! You see? He’s gone!”

                              The jailer readied straight away
                              But startled at the call,
                              So with a sword, John ran him through—
                              He died against the wall.

                              “I’ve been demoted to a guard,”
                              Said John with teasing eyes.
                              He took the keys to Robin’s cell
                              And freed him of his ties.

                              He offered him the jailer’s sword
                              Which seemed to be well-kept
                              Then, once they scaled the village wall,
                              In darkness, down they leapt.

                              That morning, when the roosters crowed
                              And twilight gently fell,
                              The Sheriff found the jailer’s corpse
                              And struck the common bell.

                              “My villagers!” he shouted out,
                              “If you can hold a sword
                              And carry Robin Hood to me,
                              You’ll name your own reward!

                              I cannot dare approach the king—
                              Our prisoner has fled!
                              And if he knew what happened here,
                              He’d surely have my head!”

                              He ran to scour Nottingham,
                              Through every street and stall,
                              And Robin, back in Sherwood, smiled:
                              Uninjured after all.

                              Then Little John addressed his master:
                              “I’ve something I must say—
                              You owe a debt, but I’ve made good—
                              Repay me when you may.”

                              “Our bitterness is now cleared up,
                              Again I clearly say.
                              I’ve brought you through our greenwood line
                              Now see me on my way.”

                              “I don’t accept your leave,” said Robin,
                              Not now, not even then!
                              Instead, let’s make you master of
                              This group of merry men.”

                              “A fellow’s who I am,” said John,
                              “And shall I ever be.
                              Throughout our dark ordeal today,
                              It’s clear for all to see:
                              A master’s life is death delayed—
                              Too dangerous for me.”

                              Then John and Robin joined the rest
                              Of Sherwood’s merry men
                              And when they saw him whole and sound
                              They cheered throughout the glen.

                              A messenger soon told the king
                              A tale beyond belief:
                              His sheriff, bested by the men
                              Of Sherwood’s master thief.

                              But as the king began to speak,
                              His wrath was quickly quelled:
                              “That ‘Little John’ beguiled me—
                              My sheriff fooled as well!

                              The merry men have tricked us both
                              It’s obvious to me
                              I ought to hang my Sheriff up
                              From England’s tallest tree.

                              I made them yeomen of the crown,
                              Put money in their hands,
                              Then pardoned Little John and Much
                              Throughout my sovereign lands!

                              What John himself contended with,
                              The lengths through which he’s gone,
                              Because he loves his master so,
                              I’m calling him Saint John.

                              And Robin’s ever in his debt—
                              By stable, street and stall,
                              I’ll tell you this, and speak no more:
                              ‘Saint John’ has tricked us all.”

                              Thus ends the Story of the Monk
                              Except to offer this:
                              May Robin’s luck run ever-long—
                              May Mary’s grace be his!

                              Please love yourself.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 20 Jan 2023, 22:13 last edited by
                                #44

                                Aqua, is The Old Man yours? Love it, so I hope so. It has your voice.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Mik
                                  20 Jan 2023, 22:13

                                  Aqua, is The Old Man yours? Love it, so I hope so. It has your voice.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on 20 Jan 2023, 22:13 last edited by
                                  #45

                                  @Mik said in The poetry thread:

                                  Aqua, is The Old Man yours? Love it, so I hope so. It has your voice.

                                  Yeah, that was mine. Thanks, man.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer
                                    20 Jan 2023, 22:13

                                    @Mik said in The poetry thread:

                                    Aqua, is The Old Man yours? Love it, so I hope so. It has your voice.

                                    Yeah, that was mine. Thanks, man.

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                                    brenda
                                    wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 04:50 last edited by
                                    #46

                                    @Aqua-Letifer ♥

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 27 Jan 2023, 17:24 last edited by
                                      #47

                                      Fire and Ice
                                      —Robert Frost

                                      Some say the world will end in fire,
                                      Some say in ice.
                                      From what I’ve tasted of desire
                                      I hold with those who favor fire.
                                      But if it had to perish twice,
                                      I think I know enough of hate
                                      To say that for destruction ice
                                      Is also great
                                      And would suffice.

                                      Please love yourself.

                                      MikM 1 Reply Last reply 27 Jan 2023, 21:37
                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer
                                        27 Jan 2023, 17:24

                                        Fire and Ice
                                        —Robert Frost

                                        Some say the world will end in fire,
                                        Some say in ice.
                                        From what I’ve tasted of desire
                                        I hold with those who favor fire.
                                        But if it had to perish twice,
                                        I think I know enough of hate
                                        To say that for destruction ice
                                        Is also great
                                        And would suffice.

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                                        wrote on 27 Jan 2023, 21:37 last edited by
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                                        @Aqua-Letifer

                                        Love that.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          27 Jan 2023, 21:37

                                          @Aqua-Letifer

                                          Love that.

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                                          wrote on 27 Jan 2023, 22:06 last edited by
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                                          @Mik said in The poetry thread:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer

                                          Love that.

                                          Typical tone for ol' "Bitter Frost," but yeah, still good. 😄

                                          Please love yourself.

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