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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
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    #137

    NBC News notices that Biden broke the law:

    The controversy over special counsel Robert Hur’s characterization of President Joe Biden’s memory has obscured one of the most surprising findings in his report: evidence that Biden knowingly kept classified materials at home for years and failed to turn them in.

    After a yearlong investigation, Hur found that the evidence of “willful retention” — the language in the criminal statute — wasn’t strong enough to justify a prosecution. And he explained in detail why the criminal charges against former President Donald Trump for his handling of classified materials include far more serious allegations of misconduct than Biden’s case.

    To Democrats, Hur’s finding that there was no criminal case to bring against the president is the most important takeaway.

    But to some national security experts, the disclosure that Biden told his ghostwriter that he discovered classified documents in his Virginia home in 2017 — with no indication he returned them — was unexpected and troubling. So was the revelation that Biden disclosed classified information to the ghostwriter on at least three occasions, and that he stored notebooks full of state secrets in unlocked drawers in his home office.

    They said a senior government official like Biden should be held to a higher ethical standard than whether a jury would convict him of a felony.

    “It may not be criminal, but it’s reckless and awful, because you have no idea what sources and methods you are putting at risk,” said NBC News legal contributor and former federal prosecutor Chuck Rosenberg. “Someone who served as the vice president of the United States should know better.”

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #138

      The DNC is going to dump him.

      They are starting to use the useful idiots to grade the runway...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
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        #139

        https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/02/17/nikki-haley-2024-presidential-election-kamala-harris-trump-biden-src-vpx.cnn

        Haley on 2024 election: 'It will either be me or it will be Kamala Harris'

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #140

          Lock them up.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #141

            Well ...Ask Navarro about Congressional subpoenas.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Well ...Ask Navarro about Congressional subpoenas.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #142

              @Jolly said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

              Well ...Ask Navarro about Congressional subpoenas.

              You misspelled Holder Lerner H. Biden

              Who's gonna prosecute? Garland?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #143

                True, it's the Just-us Department...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #144

                  Visitor logs to Penn Biden center deleted.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #145

                    Were the logs wiped with a cloth, or smashed with a hammer?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #146

                      You couldn't read them anyway, the names were all written in Mandarin.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #147

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          Visitor logs to Penn Biden center deleted.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
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                          #148

                          @George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

                          Visitor logs to Penn Biden center deleted.

                          Looks like a fairly typical “3 year” visitor log retention policy. “Penn Biden Center” is part of the University of Pennsylvania; and a “3 year” visitor log retention policy does not sound unreasonable for a university. Heck, even a “1 year” or “2 year” retention policy is fine for a university. Why mention “2017”? Because the “Penn Biden Center” nominally opened in 2018; not unreasonable to account for any potential “soft opening” that might have happened in late 2017, and in any event no “visitor logs” would have been established before that anyway.

                          Somebody has to show how the treatment of that visitor logs is somehow different from UPenn’s typical treatment of visitor logs before this is newsworthy.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

                            Visitor logs to Penn Biden center deleted.

                            Looks like a fairly typical “3 year” visitor log retention policy. “Penn Biden Center” is part of the University of Pennsylvania; and a “3 year” visitor log retention policy does not sound unreasonable for a university. Heck, even a “1 year” or “2 year” retention policy is fine for a university. Why mention “2017”? Because the “Penn Biden Center” nominally opened in 2018; not unreasonable to account for any potential “soft opening” that might have happened in late 2017, and in any event no “visitor logs” would have been established before that anyway.

                            Somebody has to show how the treatment of that visitor logs is somehow different from UPenn’s typical treatment of visitor logs before this is newsworthy.

                            George KG Offline
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                            George K
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                            @Axtremus said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

                            Somebody has to show how the treatment of that visitor logs is somehow different from UPenn’s typical treatment of visitor logs before this is newsworthy.

                            Somebody has to show why the former Vice-President, who left office before the center opened, had these files in his possession to begin with.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @jon-nyc said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

                              Hur himself outlined how much more serious the allegations against Trump are in his Biden report.

                              https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

                              On page 250, he comments on the fact that Biden cooperated and Trump did not. That doesn't change the actual nature of the crime, does it? Obstruction of justice is a separate allegation.

                              I just searched the PDF for mention of "Trump" and that, other than citing court precedents, that's the only "much more serious" allegation I could find.

                              Perhaps I missed it?

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #150

                              @George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

                              On page 250, he comments on the fact that Biden cooperated and Trump did not. That doesn't change the actual nature of the crime, does it? Obstruction of justice is a separate allegation.

                              An explanation of the extent of Biden's crimes when it comes to classified documents.

                              McCarthy: Why Biden Cooperated

                              But with Biden, there is immense evidence of cooperation. Why? Because his offenses were so serious, long-term, and sprawling.

                              For decades, Biden hoarded highly sensitive intelligence, including removing it from safekeeping on Capitol Hill, which senators well know they are not allowed to do. Biden, moreover, had many private locations — homes and offices — and irresponsibly spread the mounds of classified documents across them. It’s not like he had a single storage area, and it’s not like he made real efforts to keep his various storage locations secure — to deny access to people who were not authorized to read classified documents. Finally, Biden was so reckless and his offenses were so persistent, that he could not keep track of the classified documents he had retained.

                              On that last point, Biden apologists make much of the president’s “self-reporting” of his crimes. But he didn’t “self-report.” Instead, a first batch was unexpectedly discovered by private Biden lawyers, who were not authorized to have access to intelligence (certainly not intelligence classified at high levels). Those Biden underlings reported their discovery to the White House, not to the FBI. Biden was hoping to return the batch to government storage at the National Archives and Records Administration. But upon retrieving the documents, NARA officials — again, not Biden or his staff — alerted the National Security Division of the Biden Justice Department. (See Hur Report, pp. 19–20.)

                              Understand, then, that Biden did not cooperate because he is a well-meaning, law-abiding person. He cooperated because his offenses were so extensive that the FBI needed to search several locations for lots of classified intelligence that he’d willfully retained for decades in violation of federal laws with which he was intimately familiar — laws that, by the time he was found out, he had taken an oath to execute faithfully.

                              While we should give Biden credit for cooperating, in his case the cooperation should be seen as a measure of the gravity of his offenses, not as a reason to refrain from prosecuting him.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #151

                                (waiting for verification)

                                I wonder if it was an AirBnB?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  (waiting for verification)

                                  I wonder if it was an AirBnB?

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                                  George K
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                                  @George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:

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                                  It's old news - page 108 of the Hur report.

                                  Screenshot 2024-03-12 at 7.01.36 AM.png

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
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                                    #153

                                    Indict him. Fair is fair.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #154

                                      No, Trump needed to be indicted.

                                      Because Trump.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        Hur testifies today.

                                        And, hours before testifying, he resigned from the DOJ. He'll be testifying as a private citizen.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • MikM Away
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                                          Mik
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                                          #156

                                          That's interesting.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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