Finally - the GOP attacks spending
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So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
Education is extremely important.
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So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
Talk is cheap. Everything else costs a blood fortune.
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@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
Talk is cheap. Everything else costs a blood fortune.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Talk is cheap. Everything else costs a blood fortune.
Rules change:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/house-passes-rules-congress-mccarthy-000931288.html
The package also includes a return to a "Cut-As-You-Go" policy that says legislation cannot be considered if it increases mandatory spending over a 5- or 10-year period. This "CUTGO" policy requires bills that call for new spending to find offsetting spending cuts elsewhere in the federal budget – an ambitious new curb on federal spending, part of the GOP's effort to stop piling on trillions of dollars in new debt each year.
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So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
True, one can prefer the grin fuck or the unvarnished truth.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
True, one can prefer the grin fuck or the unvarnished truth.
@jon-nyc said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
True, one can prefer the grin fuck or the unvarnished truth.
The demands for the concessions appear to be a good faith step in the direction of spending controls. Clearly, that direction is the will of the GOP voters.
Nihilism regarding any economic policy differences between the two parties remains a convenient way to justify a full-stop never-GOP attitude.
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@jon-nyc said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
So one side says they want to control spending, while the other side proudly doesn't say that or intend it. One can still have a preference between the two.
True, one can prefer the grin fuck or the unvarnished truth.
The demands for the concessions appear to be a good faith step in the direction of spending controls. Clearly, that direction is the will of the GOP voters.
Nihilism regarding any economic policy differences between the two parties remains a convenient way to justify a full-stop never-GOP attitude.
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Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
@Jolly said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
There are Trump hating posters here who would be emotionally capable of giving policy credit where it is due, to the GOP. Jon is not one of them.
Education is extremely important.
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@Jolly said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
There are Trump hating posters here who would be emotionally capable of giving policy credit where it is due, to the GOP. Jon is not one of them.
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Jolly said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
There are Trump hating posters here who would be emotionally capable of giving policy credit where it is due, to the GOP. Jon is
notone of them.Fixed. Let me know if you want a receipt.
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@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Jolly said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
There are Trump hating posters here who would be emotionally capable of giving policy credit where it is due, to the GOP. Jon is
notone of them.Fixed. Let me know if you want a receipt.
@jon-nyc said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Jolly said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
Some people cannot even accept small victories that are good for everyone, if the wrong people are responsible for those small victories.
There are Trump hating posters here who would be emotionally capable of giving policy credit where it is due, to the GOP. Jon is
notone of them.Fixed. Let me know if you want a receipt.
I will be happy to be proven wrong. But I do not anticipate “those magat politicians did some positive things” to ever come from you.
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From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
The plan the current House is proposing isn’t attacking spending. If they wanted to attack spending, they would be looking at bringing it back to say $5T.
Oh, and reconfiguring the retirement age for people 20 years away from retirement is not cutting Social Security.
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From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
The plan the current House is proposing isn’t attacking spending. If they wanted to attack spending, they would be looking at bringing it back to say $5T.
Oh, and reconfiguring the retirement age for people 20 years away from retirement is not cutting Social Security.
@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
So what you're saying is that Republicans increase spending and call it 'special', whereas Democrats do it and say it's normal.
By saying it's 'special', essentially they're saying 'we can increase spending because we've fucked up the economy/started an unnecessary war/etc. but you can't'
How special.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
So what you're saying is that Republicans increase spending and call it 'special', whereas Democrats do it and say it's normal.
By saying it's 'special', essentially they're saying 'we can increase spending because we've fucked up the economy/started an unnecessary war/etc. but you can't'
How special.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
So what you're saying is that Republicans increase spending and call it '
specialEXTRAORDINARY’, whereas Democrats do it and say it's normal.By saying it's '
specialextraordinary’, essentially they're saying 'we can increase spending because we've fucked up the economy/started an unnecessary war/etc. but you can't'How
special.extraordinary.-
FIFYNNTTM
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Do you not agree that the 2008 Mortgage Crisis and the steps taken to combat it were extraordinary? Do you also not believe the 2020 shutdowns and the global pandemic were extraordinary? Interesting. I also fail to see how Carter’s policies that were doubled down on by Clinton can be the fault of Republicans. I also don’t see where a war contributed to either extraordinary event. I suppose the Trump Administration can be blamed for employing Fauci, who financially supported Gain of Function Research on the same types of viruses at the same lab where it seems likely that the COVID Virus escaped from.
But please enlighten me as to how the mortgage crisis wasn’t extraordinary nor the global pandemic. And how they came about because of Republican Administration policies and failures.
The Brad
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As far as our left-leaning friends on TNCR are concerned, there is no way to coherently spend one's vote or give one's support politically, in favor of fiscal responsibility. If you're looking for reasons to support one party over the other, you must look elsewhere. You can prefer fiscal responsibility if you want, but to attach that preference to a party preference is sheer madness.
The underlying motivation here is to allow for the socially advantageous leftist cultural affiliation, without taking any personal responsibility for their irresponsible economic policies. "Yeah but the Republicans are exactly as bad".
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
So what you're saying is that Republicans increase spending and call it '
specialEXTRAORDINARY’, whereas Democrats do it and say it's normal.By saying it's '
specialextraordinary’, essentially they're saying 'we can increase spending because we've fucked up the economy/started an unnecessary war/etc. but you can't'How
special.extraordinary.-
FIFYNNTTM
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Do you not agree that the 2008 Mortgage Crisis and the steps taken to combat it were extraordinary? Do you also not believe the 2020 shutdowns and the global pandemic were extraordinary? Interesting. I also fail to see how Carter’s policies that were doubled down on by Clinton can be the fault of Republicans. I also don’t see where a war contributed to either extraordinary event. I suppose the Trump Administration can be blamed for employing Fauci, who financially supported Gain of Function Research on the same types of viruses at the same lab where it seems likely that the COVID Virus escaped from.
But please enlighten me as to how the mortgage crisis wasn’t extraordinary nor the global pandemic. And how they came about because of Republican Administration policies and failures.
@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
@LuFins-Dad said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
From 2000 to 2019 spending increased from $2 Trillion to $4 Trillion. Yes @jon-nyc a lot of those increases were under Bush and Trump. However, when Bush jumped the spending for a 1 year extraordinary measure to combat the 08 financial crisis, Obama set the extraordinary 1 year amount as the new normal. When spending increased massively in 2020 and 2021 to combat COVID, spending went from $4.5 Trillion to $7 Trillion in extraordinary measures. Now that we’re past the worst of the pandemic, spending should go back to being closer to 2019, no? Maybe a little higher… But no. The current administration and previous Congress has set $6-$6.5 Trillion as the new normal.
So what you're saying is that Republicans increase spending and call it '
specialEXTRAORDINARY’, whereas Democrats do it and say it's normal.By saying it's '
specialextraordinary’, essentially they're saying 'we can increase spending because we've fucked up the economy/started an unnecessary war/etc. but you can't'How
special.extraordinary.-
FIFYNNTTM
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Do you not agree that the 2008 Mortgage Crisis and the steps taken to combat it were extraordinary? Do you also not believe the 2020 shutdowns and the global pandemic were extraordinary? Interesting. I also fail to see how Carter’s policies that were doubled down on by Clinton can be the fault of Republicans. I also don’t see where a war contributed to either extraordinary event. I suppose the Trump Administration can be blamed for employing Fauci, who financially supported Gain of Function Research on the same types of viruses at the same lab where it seems likely that the COVID Virus escaped from.
But please enlighten me as to how the mortgage crisis wasn’t extraordinary nor the global pandemic. And how they came about because of Republican Administration policies and failures.
There's always some kind of extraordinary stuff that needs to be paid for. Who's to blame for the housing crisis is debatable. I've read here that if it happens on somebody's watch, then it's his fault, however it seems a bit rich pinning the blame on Obama.
I only mention the war as it was yet another extraordinary thing that had to be paid for, apparently by my grandchildren in the unlikely event that my kids can ever afford to buy a house to put them in.
I was only joking
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As far as our left-leaning friends on TNCR are concerned, there is no way to coherently spend one's vote or give one's support politically, in favor of fiscal responsibility. If you're looking for reasons to support one party over the other, you must look elsewhere. You can prefer fiscal responsibility if you want, but to attach that preference to a party preference is sheer madness.
The underlying motivation here is to allow for the socially advantageous leftist cultural affiliation, without taking any personal responsibility for their irresponsible economic policies. "Yeah but the Republicans are exactly as bad".
@Horace said in Finally - the GOP attacks spending:
As far as our left-leaning friends on TNCR are concerned, there is no way to coherently spend one's vote or give one's support politically, in favor of fiscal responsibility. If you're looking for reasons to support one party over the other, you must look elsewhere. You can prefer fiscal responsibility if you want, but to attach that preference to a party preference is sheer madness.
The underlying motivation here is to allow for the socially advantageous leftist cultural affiliation, without taking any personal responsibility for their irresponsible economic policies. "Yeah but the Republicans are exactly as bad".
They pretty much are, if you look at this pretty picture, with helpful colour coding. I'm sure extraordinary things happened during all of the red presidencies.
I was only joking
