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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

    I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

    What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

    I did describe where I think comparisons between Nazism and this kind of behavior exist, so instead of speaking for me maybe reread what I said to Renauda.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    #54

    @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

    What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

    And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

    You did accuse me of disliking Catholics, however - so 10 demerit points to you! I never accused you of disliking Canadians, or for that matter Nazis.

    I was only joking

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      Jolly
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      Perception is reality?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

        And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

        You did accuse me of disliking Catholics, however - so 10 demerit points to you! I never accused you of disliking Canadians, or for that matter Nazis.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        #56

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

        And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

        Neither did I, so fuck this.

        Please love yourself.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Perception is reality?

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          Doctor Phibes
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          #57

          @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          Perception is reality?

          It is what it is.

          Viruses gonna virus.

          Think outside the box.

          I was only joking

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          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

            What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

            And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

            Neither did I, so fuck this.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #58

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

            Neither did I, so fuck this.

            lol

            OK.

            I was only joking

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #59

              Also, I think I should post this before anybody else does

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              Coincidence?

              It is what it is.

              I was only joking

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              • HoraceH Horace

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

                It's probably not the case that Nazi supporters considered themselves to be ill-meaning at the time.

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                Renauda
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                @Horace said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

                It's probably not the case that Nazi supporters considered themselves to be ill-meaning at the time.

                As did English Puritans believe they were doing God’s work in their day.

                I think Phibe’s juxtaposition of the modern day Jacobinism, presently called wokism, with the religious intolerance of earlier times is quite appropriate. One of the tangible consequences of both is the emergence of a populist led cancel culture in society.

                Elbows up!

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #61

                  A number of my ancestors were Methodists, so we didn't hate anybody, but a number of my older relatives did have a rather disapproving attitude to the consumption of alcoholic beverages, which I have endeavoured to redress.

                  I was only joking

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                    George K
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                    Peterson loses appeal in free speech battle

                    Dr. Jordan Peterson has lost his free speech court battle against the College of Psychologists of Ontario (again).

                    An Ontario court dismissed his appeal as first reported by the National Post.

                    No statement from the court was provided.

                    In August, the Ontario Divisional Court sided against Peterson after deliberating over his right to free speech versus the right of the Ontario College of Psychologists to regulate what licensed psychologists can say in public.

                    Initially, the College requested Peterson’s voluntary participation to receive social media training in response to public complaints about his online conduct. Peterson declined.

                    The College subsequently ordered Peterson to undergo the training, and mandated that he finance it.

                    Peterson took the issue to court, arguing that his Charter right to freedom of expression had been violated.

                    There are no further opportunities for Dr. Peterson to appeal the decision, making it final.

                    He will either be forced to undergo whatever social media training is required by the College, or he can refuse and risk having his clinical psychologist license stripped.

                    Peterson has previously said he will record whatever training he receives.

                    “I’ll comply with their regulations, but I’m not going to do it in secret… And the reason I’m not going to do it in secret is because I don’t believe I’ve done anything wrong,” he said in August 2023.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Renauda
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                      #63

                      A bit more to it than what that “report” states:

                      Peterson’s comments did not run afoul of any Canadian laws.

                      Rather, they were found to have contravened specific rules that exist for psychologists, a regulated profession.

                      “When individuals join a regulated profession, they do not lose their Charter right to freedom of expression,” says the ruling by the Ontario Divisional Court from August. “At the same time, however, they take on obligations and must abide by the rules of their regulatory body that may limit their freedom of expression.”

                      https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/exclusive-jordan-peterson-loses-fight-with-psychology-college-over-mandatory-social-media-training/wcm/996bd4ba-9061-4169-a1fd-845fabd1ae90/amp/

                      Essentially the courts do not want to get involved in disputes between licensed professions and their regulatory colleges.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #64

                        [Cynic hat on]
                        Presumably he makes a lot more money from his non-psychological stuff than he does from his old job, so this is going to be a good opportunity for yet more publicity.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          [Cynic hat on]
                          Presumably he makes a lot more money from his non-psychological stuff than he does from his old job, so this is going to be a good opportunity for yet more publicity.

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                          George K
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                          [Cynic hat on]
                          Presumably he makes a lot more money from his non-psychological stuff than he does from his old job, so this is going to be a good opportunity for yet more publicity.

                          I was wondering about that. He probably does pretty well with his podcasts, TED-like talks, etc.

                          I wonder how much time he spends actually treating patients (one-on-one) and teaching.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                            [Cynic hat on]
                            Presumably he makes a lot more money from his non-psychological stuff than he does from his old job, so this is going to be a good opportunity for yet more publicity.

                            I was wondering about that. He probably does pretty well with his podcasts, TED-like talks, etc.

                            I wonder how much time he spends actually treating patients (one-on-one) and teaching.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            @George-K said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                            [Cynic hat on]
                            Presumably he makes a lot more money from his non-psychological stuff than he does from his old job, so this is going to be a good opportunity for yet more publicity.

                            I was wondering about that. He probably does pretty well with his podcasts, TED-like talks, etc.

                            I wonder how much time he spends actually treating patients (one-on-one) and teaching.

                            I kind of liked his common-sense stuff a few years back. Now he seems to just opine on everything - social issues, politics, religion, dating, drinking, the list is endless. I'm half expecting him to start reviewing saxophone mouthpieces (something I waste far too much time watching)

                            I was only joking

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                              George K
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                              His approach to common sense was fun. However, that seems to have broadened to the same place that his haberdasher has. I mean, if you want to be taken seriously, don't dress like a clown.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

                                I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

                                  I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

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                                  Jolly
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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                  I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

                                  I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

                                  Absolutely. The video may do an epic amount of good.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    I think the constant attacks from the left have driven him into this much more across the board conservative political position, he is where they have pushed him to be.

                                    I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them. Challenge them when necessary and appropriate.

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                                    George K
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                                    @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/exclusive-jordan-peterson-loses-fight-with-psychology-college-over-mandatory-social-media-training/wcm/996bd4ba-9061-4169-a1fd-845fabd1ae90/amp/

                                    Essentially the courts do not want to get involved in disputes between licensed professions and their regulatory colleges.

                                    Interesting take. Probably accurate too.

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                    I would like to see him go to the reeducation clinics and film them

                                    He claims he will be recording the proceedings.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Horace
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                                      #71

                                      He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        @Horace said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                        I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                                        I happen to work in that area, and find your comments deeply offensive.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          He doesn’t practice anymore, this is just about the principle. I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so. Reminds me of an HOA.

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                                          Renauda
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                                          #73

                                          @Horace

                                          I am sure anybody can relate to the frustration of being held accountable by nameless faceless people who do not explain themselves and who have no obligation to do so.

                                          That is how it is for regulated professions like psychologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physio-therapists, physicians and surgeons, engineers, architects, geologists, barristers and solicitors, accountants and pharmacists to name but a few. Generally it is understood and accepted and in the case of health care professionals appreciated when employers attempt to assign duties and responsibilities upon their membership that is outside of their scope of practice. The regulatory college intervenes on behalf of its membership. All provincial regulatory colleges have set codes of conduct which the members must agree to adhere in order to maintain to their license to practice within the jurisdiction of the College.

                                          Dr. Peterson would not only know and understand this but would also accept it.

                                          Elbows up!

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