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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

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    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

    Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

    Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

    Please love yourself.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

      @Jolly

      Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.

      You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.

      I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.

      Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.

      Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.

      I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.

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      @Aqua-Letifer

      Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism…

      My argument is not with Peterson’s references to the term. It is with those sloppy thinkers who employ it as did the Honourable Poster from Louisiana.

      Elbows up!

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

        Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

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        Doctor Phibes
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        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

        Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

        Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

        Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

        I was only joking

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

          Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

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          Jolly
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          #42

          @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

          Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

          Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

          I think he would confine it to a certain timeframe.

          OTOH, National Socialism didn't rise to domination in the early 30's, without a lot of positive actions, which actually drew praise from many prominent people around the world. 😊😊

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

              Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

              Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

              Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

              Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

              Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

              The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

                It's probably not the case that Nazi supporters considered themselves to be ill-meaning at the time.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

                  Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

                  Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

                  The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

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                  Jolly
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                  #46

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                  Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

                  Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

                  Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

                  The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

                  Consider the source.

                  Christianity is the debil. (Trivia points for the tv character who compared anything she didn't like to da debil.)

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

                    Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

                    Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

                    The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #47

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                    Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

                    Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

                    Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

                    The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

                    I'm not the one making ludicrous comparisons between Canadians and the Nazis, which was my original point. You can see how stupid my analogy is, but not the other one?

                    The attitudes of modern liberals are extremely similar to those of intolerant religious people.

                    I was only joking

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                      There is not one universal evil nazi.

                      You really can't compare the nazis of 1920 with the nazis of 1939 and the nazis of 2023.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

                        Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

                        Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

                        The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

                        Consider the source.

                        Christianity is the debil. (Trivia points for the tv character who compared anything she didn't like to da debil.)

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #49

                        @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                        Consider the source.

                        You started with the dumbass comparisons, not me.

                        And I pointedly said 'medieval' Christianity.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                          Consider the source.

                          You started with the dumbass comparisons, not me.

                          And I pointedly said 'medieval' Christianity.

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                          Jolly
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                          #50

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                          @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                          Consider the source.

                          You started with the dumbass comparisons, not me.

                          And I pointedly said 'medieval' Christianity.

                          Hey, I even helped you out! 😛😛

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

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                              Jolly
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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                              I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

                              I think that's because Aqua may have a salient point.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

                                What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                I did describe where I think comparisons between Nazism and this kind of behavior exist, so instead of speaking for me maybe reread what I said to Renauda.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                  I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

                                  What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                  I did describe where I think comparisons between Nazism and this kind of behavior exist, so instead of speaking for me maybe reread what I said to Renauda.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #54

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                  What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                  And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

                                  You did accuse me of disliking Catholics, however - so 10 demerit points to you! I never accused you of disliking Canadians, or for that matter Nazis.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Jolly
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                                    Perception is reality?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                      What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                      And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

                                      You did accuse me of disliking Catholics, however - so 10 demerit points to you! I never accused you of disliking Canadians, or for that matter Nazis.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                      What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                      And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

                                      Neither did I, so fuck this.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Perception is reality?

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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        @Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                        Perception is reality?

                                        It is what it is.

                                        Viruses gonna virus.

                                        Think outside the box.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                          What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

                                          And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

                                          Neither did I, so fuck this.

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

                                          Neither did I, so fuck this.

                                          lol

                                          OK.

                                          I was only joking

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