Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”

[Renauda]

@Jolly

I kinda think my term fits.

And I kinda of think you render the term Nazi meaningless by by throwing it about and parroting sloppy thinkers on the right and left sides of the present day populist unpleasantness and divisiveness.

[Doctor Phibes]

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

[Horace]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Jolly

Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.

You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.

I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.

Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.

Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.

I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.

And the attitude is completely mainstream and institutionalized.

Note the wording of the categories of Republican candidates from TG's link to a piece about the GOP debate. The candidates were Normal, Semi-Normal, or Abnormal. Might as well just say human, semi-human, and inhuman. That sort of language didn't start with the Nazis. Humanizing nuance for threatening outgroups is not what people do. The left pretends like they're all about the humanization of outgroups, because they 'care' about the 'disadvantaged'. But all they ever muster, is infantilization of groups they find non-threatening. As soon as an out-group is threatening, they stomp it out with a convenient label about inhumanity and existential threats. The word for "human" in ancient languages generally referred to the tribe, not to people outside the tribe. Or so I've heard.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

[Renauda]

@Aqua-Letifer

Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism…

My argument is not with Peterson’s references to the term. It is with those sloppy thinkers who employ it as did the Honourable Poster from Louisiana.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

I think he would confine it to a certain timeframe.

OTOH, National Socialism didn't rise to domination in the early 30's, without a lot of positive actions, which actually drew praise from many prominent people around the world.

[Doctor Phibes]

I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

I think a comparison to intolerant religious thinking is more appropriate. The Nazis are too extreme. There was little well-meaning about them, and many on the woke side are well-meaning,.

It's probably not the case that Nazi supporters considered themselves to be ill-meaning at the time.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

Consider the source.

Christianity is the debil. (Trivia points for the tv character who compared anything she didn't like to da debil.)

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.

Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?

Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?

The only reason I can think that you're using to use such a silly analogy is to score points against people you don't like and maybe defend people you do, rather than try to accurately describe the situation.

I'm not the one making ludicrous comparisons between Canadians and the Nazis, which was my original point. You can see how stupid my analogy is, but not the other one?

The attitudes of modern liberals are extremely similar to those of intolerant religious people.

[Copper]

There is not one universal evil nazi.

You really can't compare the nazis of 1920 with the nazis of 1939 and the nazis of 2023.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Consider the source.

You started with the dumbass comparisons, not me.

And I pointedly said 'medieval' Christianity.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Jolly said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Consider the source.

You started with the dumbass comparisons, not me.

And I pointedly said 'medieval' Christianity.

Hey, I even helped you out!

[Doctor Phibes]

I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

I think that's because Aqua may have a salient point.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

I have to admit I do find it quite funny that we can all see the silliness of comparisons between Ontario and Pope Innocent III, but not with Adolf Hitler.

What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

I did describe where I think comparisons between Nazism and this kind of behavior exist, so instead of speaking for me maybe reread what I said to Renauda.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

What do you mean, "we can all see"? I didn't mention Hitler in any of my above responses.

And I didn't mention Pope Innocent III.

You did accuse me of disliking Catholics, however - so 10 demerit points to you! I never accused you of disliking Canadians, or for that matter Nazis.

[Jolly]

Perception is reality?