Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 00:31 last edited by Horace
Good conversation with lots to think about here, between Jordan and his daughter:
Link to videoWe often hear from the left that the right represents an "existential threat" in various ways, but those ways are inevitably some broad-scale slippery slope where an entire society might be wrested into the control of tyrants.
To cherry pick one small point he made during the discussion - Jordan says that fear can be classified into two categories. Fear of biological deterioration such as death, injury, and infirmity, and fear of social exclusion. Both classes of fear are equally meaningful and existential. As the left bandies about the idea that the right represents these abstract existential threats, it also wields as a weapon, the threat of social exclusion against anybody who doesn't toe their line ideologically. From an evolutionary standpoint, social exclusion really did mean death. That's a point I've made here in the past. It's why, if you don't consider cultural programming as central to the thoughts and feels of the masses, you're missing out on the the best way to make sense of anything at all. The price of not following along with the culture, is existential. We're wired that way, and it's why, if you want to understand people's thoughts and feels, you have to understand their programming. You also have to understand, which side is able to make credible threats of social exclusion?
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 19:44 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 20:32 last edited by
Why is Peterson wearing the mirror image of a French flag?
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 23:31 last edited by
@George-K said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Why is Peterson wearing the mirror image of a French flag?
Some sort of subliminal messaging having to do with never retreating, I guess.
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wrote on 23 Aug 2023, 22:48 last edited by
You will be made to comply:
In a decision released Wednesday, three Ontario Divisional Court judges unanimously sided with the College of Psychologists of Ontario in a case stemming from some of Peterson's contentious language and online statements.
Justice Paul Schabas wrote that the college's order that Peterson undergo a program on professionalism in public statements balanced its mandate to regulate the profession, "is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics."
Peterson had said his statements were not made in his capacity as a clinical psychologist, but instead were "off-duty opinions" – an argument the court rejected.
"Dr. Peterson sees himself functioning as a clinical psychologist 'in the broad public space' where he claims to be helping 'millions of people,'" Schabas wrote.
"Peterson cannot have it both ways: he cannot speak as a member of a regulated profession without taking responsibility for the risk of harm that flows from him speaking in that trusted capacity."
Peterson, a retired University of Toronto psychology professor, rose to prominence through his polarizing YouTube videos critiquing liberal culture and his successful self-help book, "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos."
Since at least 2018, the governing body of Ontario's psychologists — of which Peterson has been a registered member since 1999 despite having stopped seeing patients in 2017 — has received complaints regarding Peterson's online commentary on a range of issues, from gender transition to climate change.
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wrote on 24 Aug 2023, 00:15 last edited by
Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
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wrote on 24 Aug 2023, 00:38 last edited by Renauda
Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.
Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard
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Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.
Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard
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wrote on 24 Aug 2023, 19:36 last edited by Horace
Peterson gets into the details of the complaints, and responds:
Link to video
One of the complaints against him was just a record of his three hour conversation on the Joe Rogan podcast. He notes that nothing he said on that podcast, which included some climate skepticism, was uncommon in the general population of Canada. If he can't say this stuff, then who can?
Reminded me of last weekend when we had neighbors over for dinner. The talk of course turned to the weather, and the lady (65 year old white woman) couldn't quite keep herself from expressing contempt for anybody who denies man made climate change. Then in a prior conversation, I'd asked her husband about property taxes and whether the governor was going to sign a bill lowering them. At the mention of the governor, she blurted out some angry thing about how he won't do shit. Her husband calmly explained that yes there is a bill to lower the property taxes and he's expected to sign.
This sort of sneering contempt for the other tribe is everywhere, even around here. These people are lifetime Texans. I did note she was a little hesitant to say that stuff out loud, not knowing how it might be taken. But that only got her to keep her tone of voice down a little. She couldn't quite swallow any of it. For my part, I just let the topics die. I assume she sniffs a conservative, and is not pleased.
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Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.
Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 03:14 last edited by@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.
Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
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@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...
Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.
Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 14:01 last edited by RenaudaActually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis. In any event, Peterson has every right to appeal the provincial lower court’s decision of earlier this week. I am sure he will.
In the meantime though he is free to obtain a professional license to practice outside of Ontario. In this country matters pertaining to professional licensing and regulation are under provincial jurisdiction not federal. He therefore may want to consider obtaining one here in Alberta, his place of birth and a region of the country that is more sympathetic to his libertarian views of the world he has to suffer on a daily basis the rest of us.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 15:54 last edited by
OTOH, the Nazis demanded ultimate fealty and totally suppressed any differing or offending views.
I kinda think my term fits.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis. In any event, Peterson has every right to appeal the provincial lower court’s decision of earlier this week. I am sure he will.
In the meantime though he is free to obtain a professional license to practice outside of Ontario. In this country matters pertaining to professional licensing and regulation are under provincial jurisdiction not federal. He therefore may want to consider obtaining one here in Alberta, his place of birth and a region of the country that is more sympathetic to his libertarian views of the world he has to suffer on a daily basis the rest of us.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:19 last edited by Aqua Letifer@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.
Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.
Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.
I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.
Please love yourself.
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OTOH, the Nazis demanded ultimate fealty and totally suppressed any differing or offending views.
I kinda think my term fits.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:28 last edited by RenaudaI kinda think my term fits.
And I kinda of think you render the term Nazi meaningless by by throwing it about and parroting sloppy thinkers on the right and left sides of the present day populist unpleasantness and divisiveness.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:29 last edited by
Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.
I was only joking
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@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.
Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.
Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.
I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:30 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.
Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.
Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.
I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.
And the attitude is completely mainstream and institutionalized.
Note the wording of the categories of Republican candidates from TG's link to a piece about the GOP debate. The candidates were Normal, Semi-Normal, or Abnormal. Might as well just say human, semi-human, and inhuman. That sort of language didn't start with the Nazis. Humanizing nuance for threatening outgroups is not what people do. The left pretends like they're all about the humanization of outgroups, because they 'care' about the 'disadvantaged'. But all they ever muster, is infantilization of groups they find non-threatening. As soon as an out-group is threatening, they stomp it out with a convenient label about inhumanity and existential threats. The word for "human" in ancient languages generally referred to the tribe, not to people outside the tribe. Or so I've heard.
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Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.
Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?
Please love yourself.
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@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Actually, I don't think Mr. Putin likes free speech.
You are correct. Putin also likes to refer to his neighbours who don’t share his views as Nazis.
I personally agree for the most part with Peterson in this instance. His professional college however is not governed and staffed by Nazis and nor is the judge in this case a Nazi. Officious meddlers and busybodies without question, but not jackboot Nazis.
Well, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism, which I think is true. It'd be a long road to get there, but if that was our aim, this kind of thing would be our first stop.
Nazis believed they were building some kind of great society for themselves by cleansing the world of unmentionables. That kind of rhetoric is absolutely shared by the woke left, who view the right as the cause of what they perceive as the world's ills. It's their fault for the climate crisis so poor rural conservatives don't deserve energy access. Their conspiracy of white males sitting in positions of power and wealth sounds similar to the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the 30s.
I also don't think these people are Nazis. But I also think that, knowingly or not, they and others are playing around with national socialism. They'd call it something else of course, but followers saw it very differently 80 years ago, too.
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:36 last edited by RenaudaWell, to be fair, I don't honestly think Peterson is trying to say these people are trying to orchestrate genocides. He's said many times that this kind of behavior is precisely how you ramp up to Nazism…
My argument is not with Peterson’s references to the term. It is with those sloppy thinkers who employ it as did the Honourable Poster from Louisiana.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.
Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?
wrote on 25 Aug 2023, 16:41 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:
Why not call them mediaeval Roman Catholics? It makes as much sense. Plenty of groups have exhibited intolerance and a holier than though attitude through the years, but for some reason we always jump to Nazi.
Are you honestly saying the "good they've done for the world" / "bad they've done in the world" scorecard for Roman Catholics and Nazis is the same?
Are you honestly saying that Ontario liberals are closer to the Nazi scorecard than the medieval RC one?
I was only joking
