Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”

[Horace]

[Mik]

You can’t say anything that might hurt someone’s feelings. Ridiculous.

[Catseye3]

I dunno . . . being kicked out of this group might be a good thing.

I'm reminded of Groucho's joke about not caring to belong to a club that would have him as a member.

[George K]

@Catseye3 said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

I dunno . . . being kicked out of this group might be a good thing.

If he loses his license to practice, it might not be so good.

[Horace]

If he still practices, it is for the principle of it. He doesn’t need the income.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Catseye3 said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

I dunno . . . being kicked out of this group might be a good thing.

Having a clinical license revoked due to the politics someone holds isn't good. It's bad. You should be able to see why the implications are bigger than the incident.

[Renauda]

@Aqua-Letifer

Agreed. Not sure if he has even been in clinic the past number of years. Too busy on the lecture circuit, then rehab then back to being a media persona on all topics including those the he has no clue such as international affairs and security.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer

Agreed. Not sure if he has even been in clinic the past number of years. Too busy on the lecture circuit, then rehab then back to being a media persona on all topics including those the he has no clue such as international affairs and security.

Yes, if he loses his license the irony is he'll be unable to talk about the stuff he really knows about and be free to pontificate at great length on all the things he doesn't.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer

Agreed. Not sure if he has even been in clinic the past number of years. Too busy on the lecture circuit, then rehab then back to being a media persona on all topics including those the he has no clue such as international affairs and security.

Yes, if he loses his license the irony is he'll be unable to talk about the stuff he really knows about and be free to pontificate at great length on all the things he doesn't.

I haven't heard him pontificate about stuff he knows nothing about. Where he errs, at times, IMO, is in giving platforms to people who allegedly know what they're talking about, but are off the deep end on those subjects.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer

Agreed. Not sure if he has even been in clinic the past number of years. Too busy on the lecture circuit, then rehab then back to being a media persona on all topics including those the he has no clue such as international affairs and security.

Yes, if he loses his license the irony is he'll be unable to talk about the stuff he really knows about and be free to pontificate at great length on all the things he doesn't.

I haven't heard him pontificate about stuff he knows nothing about. Where he errs, at times, IMO, is in giving platforms to people who allegedly know what they're talking about, but are off the deep end on those subjects.

Least he gives it a shot, I'd say.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Renauda said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

@Aqua-Letifer

Agreed. Not sure if he has even been in clinic the past number of years. Too busy on the lecture circuit, then rehab then back to being a media persona on all topics including those the he has no clue such as international affairs and security.

Yes, if he loses his license the irony is he'll be unable to talk about the stuff he really knows about and be free to pontificate at great length on all the things he doesn't.

True enough, however I will cut him some slack on the question of Putin’s personal psychology.Peterson is spot on as far as I’m concerned. As he should be, after all, human psychology is his profession and I am confident that he is more than just a little competent in that area.

In the following clip Peterson fails to mention in his defence that the reason he was criticised was his stated reliance on the dubious analysis of the conflict of John Mearsheimer:

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He really ought to stay close to human and social psychology and not stray too far beyond.

I truly do think he has a lot of valid points in his sphere of expertise.

[Horace]

Good conversation with lots to think about here, between Jordan and his daughter:

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We often hear from the left that the right represents an "existential threat" in various ways, but those ways are inevitably some broad-scale slippery slope where an entire society might be wrested into the control of tyrants.

To cherry pick one small point he made during the discussion - Jordan says that fear can be classified into two categories. Fear of biological deterioration such as death, injury, and infirmity, and fear of social exclusion. Both classes of fear are equally meaningful and existential. As the left bandies about the idea that the right represents these abstract existential threats, it also wields as a weapon, the threat of social exclusion against anybody who doesn't toe their line ideologically. From an evolutionary standpoint, social exclusion really did mean death. That's a point I've made here in the past. It's why, if you don't consider cultural programming as central to the thoughts and feels of the masses, you're missing out on the the best way to make sense of anything at all. The price of not following along with the culture, is existential. We're wired that way, and it's why, if you want to understand people's thoughts and feels, you have to understand their programming. You also have to understand, which side is able to make credible threats of social exclusion?

[Horace]

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[George K]

Why is Peterson wearing the mirror image of a French flag?

[Horace]

@George-K said in Jordan Peterson to get “retrained?”:

Why is Peterson wearing the mirror image of a French flag?

Some sort of subliminal messaging having to do with never retreating, I guess.

[George K]

You will be made to comply:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-court-rules-against-jordan-peterson-upholds-social-media-training-order-1.6530615

In a decision released Wednesday, three Ontario Divisional Court judges unanimously sided with the College of Psychologists of Ontario in a case stemming from some of Peterson's contentious language and online statements.

Justice Paul Schabas wrote that the college's order that Peterson undergo a program on professionalism in public statements balanced its mandate to regulate the profession, "is not disciplinary and does not prevent Dr. Peterson from expressing himself on controversial topics."

Peterson had said his statements were not made in his capacity as a clinical psychologist, but instead were "off-duty opinions" – an argument the court rejected.

"Dr. Peterson sees himself functioning as a clinical psychologist 'in the broad public space' where he claims to be helping 'millions of people,'" Schabas wrote.

"Peterson cannot have it both ways: he cannot speak as a member of a regulated profession without taking responsibility for the risk of harm that flows from him speaking in that trusted capacity."

Peterson, a retired University of Toronto psychology professor, rose to prominence through his polarizing YouTube videos critiquing liberal culture and his successful self-help book, "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos."

Since at least 2018, the governing body of Ontario's psychologists — of which Peterson has been a registered member since 1999 despite having stopped seeing patients in 2017 — has received complaints regarding Peterson's online commentary on a range of issues, from gender transition to climate change.

[Jolly]

Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Hell is empty and all the Nazis are in Canada...

Actually we’re Trotskyists or, more accurately, just proudly unAmerican.

Goddamn, how you sound like or parrot Putin. Get with it, Beauregard

[Renauda]

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[Horace]

Peterson gets into the details of the complaints, and responds:

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One of the complaints against him was just a record of his three hour conversation on the Joe Rogan podcast. He notes that nothing he said on that podcast, which included some climate skepticism, was uncommon in the general population of Canada. If he can't say this stuff, then who can?

Reminded me of last weekend when we had neighbors over for dinner. The talk of course turned to the weather, and the lady (65 year old white woman) couldn't quite keep herself from expressing contempt for anybody who denies man made climate change. Then in a prior conversation, I'd asked her husband about property taxes and whether the governor was going to sign a bill lowering them. At the mention of the governor, she blurted out some angry thing about how he won't do shit. Her husband calmly explained that yes there is a bill to lower the property taxes and he's expected to sign.

This sort of sneering contempt for the other tribe is everywhere, even around here. These people are lifetime Texans. I did note she was a little hesitant to say that stuff out loud, not knowing how it might be taken. But that only got her to keep her tone of voice down a little. She couldn't quite swallow any of it. For my part, I just let the topics die. I assume she sniffs a conservative, and is not pleased.