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  • George KG Offline
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    1. russian messianic mindset
      russia has an inherently messianic view of its own role in the world. russia believes it is the center of Christianity and its true standard-bearer ever since the collapse of the Byzantine Empire (continued)
      This messianic thinking manifests itself in a variety of ways, such as seeing themselves as the leaders of pan-Slavism and, in the 20th century, as leaders of the global world communist movement. Various movements but all with the same core view of themselves as better.

    2. No knowledge of democracy
      russia has never had a true experience with democracy. At best, only ever a minority of russians have known it and even fewer understood it. When given the chance, russians always take the subservient (serf) role to the state/Tsar

    3. different concept of morality
      The West has and continues to mistake russian morality. russia has a different concept of morality that simply cannot be measured by the standards of modern democratic societies....
      russia will always act Macchiavelian, will always lie, will always take advantage of others in any situation (often times not even for a better outcome for themselves but purely for the sake of 'winning'). And russians see no problem with this predatory view.

    4. security paranoia
      russia is always paranoid about its own geographical security, even as it has been expanding continuously and aggressively for nearly 500 years. An old russian saying goes "our borders are only safe when our soldiers stand on both sides of them."
      [side note: eastern Europeans know the consequences of this russian fanaticism all too well]

    5. inferiority complex
      russia has always been technologically and developmentally behind most of the rest of the world. Other than St. Petersburg and Moscow, it is part of the developing world. This drives deep resentment among russians that is a core part of their psychology.

    6. suspicion
      russia looks at the rest of the world with deep suspicion and skepticism. russia will always feel the victim even as it has relentlessly and aggressively colonized dozens and dozens of states and cultures for centuries.

    This incredibly prescient article was written in 1987, when Chancellor Schmidt didn't even have any idea who Putin was. It shows us clearly that it's not Putin who is the problem, it's the russian mindset.

    Here's the link to the source:

    https://de.style.yahoo.com/style/35-jahren-gab-helmut-schmidt-085800674.html

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      #2

      I’ll be interested in Renauda’s take on it.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        1. russian messianic mindset
          russia has an inherently messianic view of its own role in the world. russia believes it is the center of Christianity and its true standard-bearer ever since the collapse of the Byzantine Empire (continued)
          This messianic thinking manifests itself in a variety of ways, such as seeing themselves as the leaders of pan-Slavism and, in the 20th century, as leaders of the global world communist movement. Various movements but all with the same core view of themselves as better.

        2. No knowledge of democracy
          russia has never had a true experience with democracy. At best, only ever a minority of russians have known it and even fewer understood it. When given the chance, russians always take the subservient (serf) role to the state/Tsar

        3. different concept of morality
          The West has and continues to mistake russian morality. russia has a different concept of morality that simply cannot be measured by the standards of modern democratic societies....
          russia will always act Macchiavelian, will always lie, will always take advantage of others in any situation (often times not even for a better outcome for themselves but purely for the sake of 'winning'). And russians see no problem with this predatory view.

        4. security paranoia
          russia is always paranoid about its own geographical security, even as it has been expanding continuously and aggressively for nearly 500 years. An old russian saying goes "our borders are only safe when our soldiers stand on both sides of them."
          [side note: eastern Europeans know the consequences of this russian fanaticism all too well]

        5. inferiority complex
          russia has always been technologically and developmentally behind most of the rest of the world. Other than St. Petersburg and Moscow, it is part of the developing world. This drives deep resentment among russians that is a core part of their psychology.

        6. suspicion
          russia looks at the rest of the world with deep suspicion and skepticism. russia will always feel the victim even as it has relentlessly and aggressively colonized dozens and dozens of states and cultures for centuries.

        This incredibly prescient article was written in 1987, when Chancellor Schmidt didn't even have any idea who Putin was. It shows us clearly that it's not Putin who is the problem, it's the russian mindset.

        Here's the link to the source:

        https://de.style.yahoo.com/style/35-jahren-gab-helmut-schmidt-085800674.html

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        @George-K said in Why Russia can't get along with the rest of the world:

        inferiority complex
        russia has always been technologically and developmentally behind most of the rest of the world. Other than St. Petersburg and Moscow, it is part of the developing world. This drives deep resentment among russians that is a core part of their psychology.

        Until recently Russian spaceships were, for many years, the only way to get to the space station.

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        • MikM Mik

          I’ll be interested in Renauda’s take on it.

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          @Mik said in Why Russia can't get along with the rest of the world:

          I’ll be interested in Renauda’s take on it.

          He's said some of those things, particularly the paranoia and the inferiority complex things.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            jon-nyc
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            #5

            DeGaulle said it well: “Communism will come and go but Russia is eternal”.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            • MikM Mik

              I’ll be interested in Renauda’s take on it.

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              @Mik said in Why Russia can't get along with the rest of the world:

              I’ll be interested in Renauda’s take on it.

              Schmidt was and, remains, dead on target. Bullseye.

              Elbows up!

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